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I didn't know that was something a website could do. But on the main page (that is, '/'), I can't seem to refresh. The refresh button in Firefox doesn't work. Ctrl+r, ctrl+shift+r, and f5 all do not work. Selecting the url and hitting enter doesn't work. I haven't tried in any other browsers. Is this supposed to be a feature?

I'm guessing some folks are going to wonder why I'd ever want or need to refresh. Sometimes, one server or community seems to get "stuck". I'll load my main page (I default to "subscribed/new"), scroll for a bit, and then suddenly the one community gets "unstuck" and starts flooding my feed with (all?) posts from that one community. When it does that, it makes the feed basically unusable. I can't expand out images during that time (and even the thumbnails usually go away on posts for some reason.) The posts move down the page fast enough that I can't read titles or click comment links. It's... a problem.

If I could refresh, I'd have an easy workaround. But right now, the best workaround I've found is to copy the url, open a new tab, paste the url into the new tab, and close the original malfunctioning tab. (Ctrl+l, ctrl+c, ctrl+n, ctrl+v, enter, ctrl+pageup, ctrl+w.)

And, yes, if the issue I describe above would be resolved, that would go a long way toward making it less necessary to allow refreshing. But it's the principle of the thing, you know? Is a web app breaking basic browser functionality considered acceptable? Is being unable to refresh the main page intended?

Now, the instance I'm on is still on an older version. (Specifically 0.17.4.) If any of this is addressed in later versions, that would be awesome news.

Edit: In retrospect, it seems I should have done more experimentation before posting this. Now that I'm trying things, refreshing is working. It takes a second or three to start refreshing, though. I guess my theory at this point is that when I'm experiencing the issue mentioned above, that few seconds turns into a much longer amount of time. (Minutes, I think.) And I just never waited long enough to see that refresh eventually does work. I guess that kindof invalidates much of what I said here, but in case others have insight, I'll leave this post up.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is lemmy supposed to still be doing auto-refreshes as new content arrives? I haven't seen that happening in the last couple months or so, I just assumed all the server updates stopped doing the refreshes since it was causing other problems with content constantly bouncing around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't refresh the page to get new posts, but it does pull in new posts as they're posted.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I understand? Sure the server pulls in new posts in realtime, but the web interface also used to auto-update the page while you were watching it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah. Well, I still see the web interface pulling in new posts as I sit on the home page. But then, I also mentioned that my Lemmy instance (or, the instance I've joined, that is) is a couple of versions behind. (I'm not sure if they're behind on both Lemmy and the UI or on just one.) If they've changed that behavior in newer versions, that could be why I'm still seeing the web interface pull in new posts while you don't.

And if that behavior is removed in the newer versions, then I can probably expect all the issues I've mentioned in this thread to be resolved as soon as latte.isnot.coffee updates to more recent versions of either Lemmy or Lemmy-UI or both.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Hmm now that you mention it, I do think it was the change from v17 to v18 when the auto-updates stopped working. I mean it had the potential to be a nice feature, but the implementation failed to hold up when there was a lot of activity. At least the icon showing new messages still updates live.

As for your refresh issue... sorry I don't have any advice there. The only thing I can think of is that your instance itself might have gotten stuck and wasn't pulling in new feeds? Or it could have been as simple as the admin doing some updates that paused the feed for a bit. At least it's working again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

when I am in airplane mode, no Internet, lemmy-ui 0.18.2 will act like it does a refresh while actually loading nothing new.

the instance I’m on is still on an older version. (Specifically 0.17.4.)

Websocket version has all kinds of different behavior.

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