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Hello. Hopefully I won’t get banned for mentioning some stuff happening in China. From a western perspective, China seems perfect. There is a Communist Party in charge and the constitution says people have labor rights. But I want to examine some topics which make me very uncomfortable. For reference: Grew up in China 2002 to 2012, Moved to America, currently going through University in Americar, planning to go back to China immediately when I finish and restore People’s Republic citizenship. After living in the west for 10 years I am a hardcore communist. After I read the Little Red Book it was one of the most awesome things I ever read. I am grateful that the most populous country with such a huge territory and long history has a Communist government. Forgive me if I’m a bit on edge, the whole Nancy Pelosi Bullshit is making me very very stressed. If Americar and China are going to fight, at least do so after I escape Americar and go back to my family.

For those of you who doubt me: 如果你真的怀疑我是中国人,你觉得一个假中国人能写出这样的话吗?当然, 现代有谷歌翻译,但是毕竟谷歌翻译是机器,有时候还会不能完美地模仿人类的自然语言。全世界无产阶级人民团结!!!

Please please please don’t just see the epic People’s Liberation Army videos or the official news reportings, there is so much on bilibili and zhihu that a westerner wouldn’t know unless you are fluent in the language.

Tsinghua University Rainbow flags incident. Recently there has been an incident with Tsinghua University, one of the most prestigious higher education places in the coutnry. (the fact that this place is prestigious is problematic to me. Aren’t we communists supposed to, you know, ensure equality? I don’t think Westerners truly understand just how unequal education is in China. The quality of school facilities in rich and poor areas are just absolutely incomparable, and graduates of prestigious universities get much better jobs and much better income, which just isn’t fair. An engineering graduate is an engineering graduate, there shouldn’t be any differences in educational standards in different schools) A student left 10 little LBGT rainbow flags on a table, then was punished for it because the school says it is “宣传品“ which can be translated as propaganda OR informational materials. Not everything has to do with LGBT is about western infiltration you know. How can a student be punished for simply leaving 10 (TEN) rainbow flags? It’s a general symbol of Sexual and Gender Minorities. If there is proof of western infiltration, then yes, that is a problem. Right now I see very little Native Chinese activity in terms of LGBT. I agree the Chinese need our own LGBT awareness programs but it just isn’t happening. I don’t know why the central people’s government isn’t just coming out and saying people shouldn’t discriminate against LGBT. Even the word LGBT is western in origin, the Chinese need their own word for it. I think we should use 奻𤲶双跨. Each zi corresponds to each letter in LGBT. On Weibo微博 there were people arguing over this, in typical Chinese shitshow fashion. I heard enough of this in my childhood, my grandparents and my mother are all practitioners of the well-respected art of yelling. (Me too, although I tend to do more targeted insults, against homophobia, transphobia, corporate bootlicking, western bootlicking, religious persecution of others etc). There are very many extremely homophobic people on there saying that this is “western infiltration“ and that the students deserve even more punishment. Some say that Homosexuals should keep to themselves. The problem is, Homosexuals just aren’t seen in society, and if LGBT keep to themselves, how can they ensure that they are not discriminated against in terms of employment, education, and other opportunities? What about school bullying, domestic violence, suicides? How can Gay people even find love if they can’t even say “hey, we are gay?” There were nice people who argued FOR LBGT and insulted the homophobes, by saying that homophobes have no culture (没文化is a very common insult in China) and that although homopbobes say that homosexuals are diseased, the true disease are the homophobes themlseves. When I became a Communist in America, it’s precisely because they are simply the better side, the left supports LGBT, the right does not. I can’t deal with the fact that my home country, which should embrace Marxist Materialism according to its own ruling party, has so much homophobia. Western report: https://supchina.com/2022/07/27/the-rise-and-fall-of-lgbtq-student-groups-in-china/ Report in Chinese language (but not from China), it contains what looks to be official school documents for the students’ consequences. https://chinadigitaltimes.net/chinese/684454.html
I couldn’t find any official reportage of this Tsinhua University event, but I do see it being talked about on social media. https://weibo.com/3349258552/KnEhha2e7?refer_flag=1001030103_ Weibo post reporting the government shutting down multiple university LGBT organizations. The user is happy and calls LGBT dirty and disgusting. Some people cite Marx and Engels who were homophobic. I understand that Marx and Engels were from a very different era and I love them despite their homophobia. I know that if they were born in a different time they definitely wouldn’t be homophobes.

The other problem I want to discuss is 996. So…. How are we going to fight against it? Is the government making any progress? They condemned it in 2021. Are companies actually being forced to give their employees human hours? Are companies giving them a 40 hour workweek with 2 days off each week? It is an incredible shame that in a Leftst Red country this sort of exploitation exists. Keep in mind that I ain’t saying Americar is good. University prices are sky high and Americans will NEVER be able to retire OR get a house. The American government is controlled by money. But that doesn’t matter because China shouldn’t be comparing itself against America. China should be comparing itself against the metrics of Communism. I see some western tovarishi (comerades) say that 996 is only in Shanghai and Macau and HongKong. Not true. It is a phenomenon all over. Some western comrades say that this is only the tech industry. Not true. I look on the Chinese internet and it seems to me 996 is a very widespread phenomenon across multiple sectors in multiple places. It is an unmentionable shame that a thousands years old culture which values FAMILY above all gives people 0 (ZERO) time to be with their family. This is not even mentioning the nongmingong (workers who have rural hukou/registration but who go to work in cities) who cannot buy houses in cities for some reason, they live in shitty accomodations and can only see their families for 15 days in Chinese New Near. Paid time off and vacations don’t exist in Chinese culture. Your boss and coworkers WILL call you and expect you to answer, IF you somehow manage to convince your superiors that you deserve a break. And the Hierarchical culture… Is absolutely disgusting. Higher ups will lord it over you like some feudal official. We are 共产主义者for fucks sake we should be equal. Now I admit I spent half of my life in America so I haven’t experienced things personally but I follow Chinese social media quite closely. It really is that bad. And before you accuse me of being a western spy or a Eff Bee Eye, first see if you can read this. If you can’t, then you should probably consider the fact that this is MY culture not yours.. 中华文化是我的文化。我有资格去评价当前的中国人的网上谈论。 The Law has been against 996 exploitation for a VERY long time. But why has the government taken so long to act? Are their policies effective? You can’t just say you’re against something and not use all available force to punish these bad things. Americar makes laws and doesn’t enforce them, I don’t want China to become like America.

Another worrying phenomenon is a new way of looking at history. Confucious, a misogynistic monarchist who puts book-men(who do ceremonies or something) over farm laborers (who provide food) is rehabilitated by the Party. In Official documentaries about history, I see Emperors being praised. This is very dangerous because I can’t see myself loving these dudes who lived in palaces and had 100s of women to play with while their subjects labored in the fields. I see so much traditionalism in Chinese media and not enough revolutionary culture. Why? Please just why? The Great Helmsman (Mao) spent so much time fighting against feudal society. And in recent years, xenophobia is on the rise in Chinese online discours. Everything Chinese is good and Foreign things are bad. If China needs something, it has to be Chinese. LGBT is from the west therefore it is bad. Why would one listen to music from the West if one has good Chinese music to listen to? Westerners don’t beat their children, so we Chinese do. It’s only natural. Everything has to be Chinese nowadays. Where does cultural confidence end and chauvinism begin? I agree every single damn country needs cultural confidence. Look at the rise of the Right in Germany. If you’re not gonna teach to the young Deutschen good Deutsche Kultur, they will fall to Right Wing German culture, the bad part of Deutscher Kultur. And before you accuse me of being a western spy or a Eff Bee Eye, first see if you can read this. If you can’t, then you should probably consider the fact that this is MY culture not yours.. 中华文化是我的文化。我有资格去评价当前的中国人的网上谈论。

Please please please don’t just see the epic People’s Liberation Army videos or the official news reportings, there is so much on bilibili and zhihu that a westerner wouldn’t know unless you are fluent in the language.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Not that I doubt you being Chinese and not being a federal agent, but throwing a random Chinese sentence at us and saying you therefore can't be a Fed is a bit weird lmao. Especially given the length the US intelligence agencies go to counter China.

That being said, we know China isn't perfect. There's a lot to improve. And that needs to happen by Chinese themselves. Critical support is always welcome.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I want to add that China is a country of 1.4 billion people. They can't be all wholesome nice commies and some of them are horrible people. Same goes for some views of officials/the party and some of their policies.

I leave the rest of the discussion to the other commenters who are more knowledgeable on the topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Could a fed do this?? *does something feds are trained to do and put their lives on the line if they're not good enough at it*"

Saying you're Chinese and a communist is all you need to do. This isn't Reddit and if you're arguing in good faith people won't doubt you, comrade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Their profile is only a few hours old and they have only 2 posts both of which are basically identical. Also the way they reply gives me the impression that they've already made up their mind. Seems sus.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

From a western perspective, China seems perfect.

Literally no had ever said this apart from you

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Sorry that's the impression I get from reading Genzedong and Lemmygrad. I always see people posting positive things about China, which is 100% valid, but I don't see people saying anything about the negatives, which I can see because I spend time on the Chinese internet too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You should try to understand places like genzedong within the context of Western media environment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes I know why western comerades put all their hope on China but there are bad as well as good parts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

It's worth considering that bourgeois media basically only reports negatively (mostly unsubstantiated allegations) about China; I think we're all aware that there are plenty of issues left in China, both in general and compared to some other socialist countries like Cuba. The reason why I "support" (whatever that means) China is because the CPC is fundamentally Marxist-Leninist, despite the remaining local and national problems, and from an outside perspective, they do seem to be making progress w.r.t. workers' rights, LGBT+ rights (e.g. trans healthcare), etc.

I'd also guess that some of the issues you've seen on social media aren't as prevalent as they may seem (e.g. discrimination in some regions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the average citizen nationwide), but I could be wrong

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What are some examples of progress? It seems to me China is regressing. Several universities' LGBT organizations were banned, with no replacement. If they were funded by western organizations, then there should be a replacement that doesnt suck up to the west.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not at all well-informed about this. I can point out the new clinics for young trans people, for example. The little I know comes from articles like these (of course, CGTN is state-funded, but the article is hardly a puff piece) -- my understanding is that the issue has far more to do with people's attitudes than the CPC's policies

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

The negatives are always talked about when relevant to the topic at hand

There's no point randomly bringing up negatives because that's already everywhere else

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Didnt China had big advances when it comes to LGBT rights in the last few years?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

I wish, but it seems to me that there is no actuall progress.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm in a similar position, let me just summarize a few thing I concluded.

  1. There's a big difference between the Communist Party of China's policies and what your "average" Chinese think it's right, and despite what west keep saying, CPC is actually way too laxed on some aspect of control. Your average person wouldn't bother to understand theories and would only understand their own living conditions, which is fine since that's one of the main aspects of Communism, but they have no ways of really understand how to achieve said prosperity. There are decent amount of degenerates and Nazbols in China as well, but long as they don't cross the line CPC leave them be. Having the system be on the right side of history is what matters.
  2. For your second point about "prestige" school it actually has been a talking point since the Deng era reforms, the school, while prestigious, isn't state owned, again long as they don't break any laws CPC won't crack down on it. As for wether you think the Deng era reforms are right, well I'm pretty sure most of the people on this site agrees with it and I won't post an essay on wether I think it's right you would have to do your own research.
  3. Chinese right wing nationalists wants everything none Chinese out of the country. National extremists are right wing no matter what, doesn't matter if they come from a left wing country or support a left wing government, CPC doesn't support their idea, they are openly enacting policies that benefits everyone not just themselves at the expenses of others like right wings governments.

In conclusion, it literally matters not at all at what some incel online says or does, long as CPC is on the right track I support China, and in the unlikely event that China is no longer run by CPC then I would have zero attachment to that country and it's people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But the party doesn't seem to be making ANY progress in regards to 996. Chinese people work some of the most hours in the world, but they don't have to, because the company profits are going to the bosses and corrupt party members/ganbu who use that money to go out removed and drinking.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Chinese people also work some of the most hours in the West

Not everything bad is because of the state. Not everything is related to capitalism or communism

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But Chinese people in China have no choice but to work 996. If they slack off they might get fired or replaced.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm sure you've read my other long comment. My point was that it seems very difficult to solve since it is partly a cultural issue as well (competition and hard working)

You seem to be really great at complaining about things without offering any realistic alternatives/solutions. That makes all your thoughts and opinions completely useless

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You seem to be really great at complaining about things without offering any realistic alternatives/solutions

Well yeah I'm not the fucking government. They should be the ones solving problems. They are responsible for that.