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IDF be like (lemmy.ml)

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

Looks like those guys will shoot anyone. With such a gross power imbalance how can they be so scared of everything?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html

IDF destroyed Israeli homes (with Israelis inside) when Hamas raided them on Oct 7, and now they are indiscriminantly bombing Gaza, including where the hostages might be. I don't see the logic at all. It seems like they don't care about Palestinian OR Israeli civilians.

EDIT: I just stumbled upon this video, which shows Israeli police arresting a (black) Israeli soldier for trying to cross the street. It seems racist af. I really can't figure out who they are protecting.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Civilian life was never a priority

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's a hard sell to say that it was.

Israel: We are using surgical strikes and guided missles to uproot Hamas.

† 15,000 people killed †

World: So you specifically targeted all those 15,000 people?

Israel: How could you be so anti-semitic??

Narrator: Turns out they were actually not trying to minimize civilian casualties at all.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, it's not about targeting Hamas. It's about killing as many Palestinians and destroying as much of Gaza as possible. They said so themselves

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Yes it is, just not in the way it usually is. ENDING civilian lives is very much a priority of their genocidal campaign.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It’s a military force full of conscripts it’s not a surprise they operate at an amateur level. These guys aren’t trained to rescue hostages they are only trained to shoot. There is a reason why most countries have gotten rid of conscription. Conscripted soldiers are nowhere near the level of a vetted and trained volunteer

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

There is a saying: "The worst volunteer is better than the best conscript".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

So... they don't even teach what white flags mean?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's what bothers me most: the incidence shows how Israeli military treats civilians in general but at least where I live, media doesn't talk about the implications. The coverage is more critical than at the beginning of the war but they still refuse to call it a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Hell, they even censured a Palestinian-American congresswoman for pointing out that obvious fact!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Take a look at this. It's a bunch of testimoniess from IDF soldiers about what happened when theie military ran similar operations in 2014. Looks like this is generally how the IDF operates.

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/pdf/ProtectiveEdge.pdf

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

This is insane. How could Hamas publish this?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"That's exactly what Hamas would say!"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

💯 👌

[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Children are just stunted Hamas fighters.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You would kill Hitler as a child. Knowing what he would become?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

if i were concerned, i would

~~/S~~

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

exactly. those pesky children are easy to be radicalized; they have barely spent time learning anything at school, so they can't really tell the bluff.

watch al jazeera for instance (a qatari MSM): hamas propaganda 24/7. qataris probably have stakes in this too by reselling arms, so it helps to keep the flame alive ( they would spend hours rebroadcasting the death of this 'hero' journalist in the battlefield, while in fact its lucrative that such people die to always have exclusive material to broadcast, its like a Marvel movie, but with real casualties ).

arms production is a lucrative business right now.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Popular meme on the Chinese internet apparently

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Is that Netanyahu, King of Queens?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I am kinda in a pickle now, can't even advance the argument of "they look where they shoot" 🤔 come on IDF you can do better!

[+] [email protected] -11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Serious question. Are there any reports of Hamas using white flags to trick IDF in the past?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even if there was, that wouldn't excuse shooting first and asking questions never like the IDF did this time and every other of the thousands of times they've murdered civilians.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That doesn’t answer my question at all and jumped straight to what aboutism. Real constructive conversation

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, your question was itself a whataboutism (what about Hamas? Have they ever tried to trick IDF that way?).

I simply replied to the underlying assertion that, if they have, then the IDF are somehow the least bit justified in assuming that it was Hamas. Which they wouldn't be.

One of them shouted "look! Terrorists!" and they just started shooting without ever considering that he might be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

No, no it’s not. It’s a reasonable question to do with the actions of the ADF. I never even said I support the ADF. Really just a weird response at the end of the day, I can only deduce (because you’re refusing to go near any answer to my question) that they may have done it before. If they had never done that you could have confidently just said no. Hamas would never do such a thing but here we are still communicating while I get no closer to any information on whether or not Hamas have done that in the past

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It’s a reasonable question to do with the actions of the ADF

It categorically isn't. There are ways of verifying other than shooting them to bits and then identifying them afterwards. Also, it's IDF.

I never even said I support the ADF.

All the more reason not to try to justify their murder. Also, it's still IDF.

I can only deduce (because you’re refusing to go near any answer to my question) that they may have done it before.

I honestly have no idea. I haven't checked because it makes no difference in whether the IDF were justified in their murder. They weren't regardless.

If they had never done that you could have confidently just said no.

That would be lying, though, since I don't know if they have.

here we are still communicating while I get no closer to any information on whether or not Hamas have done that in the past

Because I refuse to answer your irrelevant whataboutism question and you keep insisting I do. If you want to know, find out for yourself and THEN pretend that it justifies anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Can I ask what use this information would have to you?