And who wants to predict the flood of catholics saying the pope isn't catholic because of this statement?
this post was submitted on 18 Dec 2023
379 points (96.8% liked)
News
23014 readers
2 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
They already did that when he told people to be nice to trans people. He didn't tell them to embrace them into their lives, just treat them nice and they lost their shit about it.
As a man who wore a dress himself, I’m fairly sure Jesus didn’t mind if people crossdressed
If Jesus had access to pantaloons or blue jeans he would have rocked them.
No store bought wine though. He was a foot guy.
load more comments
(1 replies)
"Not my pope" was a common slogan for American catholics when he recommended taking the scientists advice and masking up during lockdown.
The new document repeats that rationale and elaborates on it, reaffirming that marriage is a lifelong sacrament between a man and a woman. And it stresses that blessings should not be conferred at the same time as a civil union, using set rituals or even with the clothing and gestures that belong in a wedding.
So no real moral progress from the Catholic Church; just more PR to get people back in the pews.
If Catholic God was real, he should be seeking out our love and mercy.
load more comments
(32 replies)
The Pope is WRONG!
-People who want to run the country based on the Word of God.
I mean yeah, of course they will say that. Evangelicals and Fundamentalist Christians have always maintained that Catholics aren’t Christian.
Often the first sign of a new christian sect is the adamant declaration via other christian sects that the new sect isnt christian.
load more comments
(2 replies)
This is a PR move, don't fall for it.
Quotes from the man himself, on how much he actually supports marriage equality and LGBTQ peolle:
"I cannot hide my concern for the family, which is threatened, perhaps as never before, from within and without. Fundamental relationships are being called into question, as is the very basis of marriage and the family. I can only reiterate the importance and, above all, the richness and the beauty of family life."
"What is at stake here is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother, and children. At stake are the lives of so many children who will be discriminated against in advance, depriving them of the human maturation that God wanted to be given with a father and a mother."
"[Marriage equality] is not a political struggle; it is the destructive attempt toward God’s plan."
"”[The push for marriage equality is] the envy of the Devil, by which sin entered the world, which cunningly seeks to destroy the image of God."
Don't fall for their lies.
Not only that but the document specifically states priests cannot bless gay marriages, unions, or when a couple is dressed as if they are getting married.
Pope is trying to save their religion. If anyone knows the Dire Straits organized religion is in the West is the pope. Why would anyone be part of something that is so hateful towards you or someone you know?
Organized Religion would be much cooler if it were in Dire Straits. But Jesus might get salty that Mark Knopfler is a better guitar player than He is....
That little Francis got his own jet airplane,
That little Francis, he's a millionaire.
billionaire*
But damn I like your version of the song.
Money for nothing, and your kids for free
I mean we dunno. Providing he actually existed maybe the dude would have had Mark Knopfler-like guitar powers in addition to his established list of party tricks... but he decided to show up 1400 years before the first guitar so I guess we'll have to wait until he comes back before he can have a shot at producing an album.
This and calling Israeli killings terrorism, pope is trying his best - but he has to work within the limits his flock will accept.
I love how it's a "blessing of a union" and NOT the sacrament of marriage, which would mean they are still "living in sin" but we love you and accept you but winks at the right they aren't married. Separate but equal much? This is hilariously bad pandering and I hope they get flak from all directions. Fuck the catholic church and fuck the vatican.
Baby steps, dude. Plus, the need the numbers, membership is down and it's affecting revenue. 🤣
I get what you're saying and they are certainly falling forward in some ways but maybe they should actually do the work of redemption for their wrongdoings to address their dwindling membership, not pump out PR.
load more comments
(1 replies)
It's progress, I suppose. But are there any Gays that would actively seek out a blessing from an institution who sees their lifestyle as "objectively disordered"?
are there any Gays that would actively seek out a blessing
Yes. That's why the pope made this decision.
I've found a surprising number of the European gays I know are more likely to hold on to their religion than the American ones I know, but they are also far less likely to interpret the bible literally to begin with.
Catholic doctrine is so complicated particularly because they dont take the bible literally and instead rely on interpretations that developed over centuries
load more comments
(1 replies)
He says they "can" but knows they won't or quietly tells them not to. This pope is all PR and bullshit he knows they won't follow through on. The Pope can pretend that Catholics are now tolerant of gay people, but go to a Catholic Church throughout most of the planet, particularly the third world and see how tolerant they are and how much they follow the Pope. They are tolerant of pedophiles in their clergy though, since they don't seem to want to fix that issue
I knew a lot of Catholics that didn’t have a problem with gay people.
God’s love is for everyone, types.
load more comments
(2 replies)
The Catholic leadership must be really desperate to boost numbers if they're willing to go this far...
The new document repeats that condition and elaborates on it, reaffirming that marriage is a lifelong union between a man and a woman. And it stresses that blessings in question must not be tied to any specific Catholic celebration or religious service and should not be conferred at the same time as a civil union ceremony. Moreover, the blessings cannot use set rituals or even involve the clothing and gestures that belong in a wedding.
The Church is doomed to become obsolete. Until they accept that gay people have the right to marry (and they won't), people will move away from the Church.
The times are changing, and the Church will sooner or later fall into irrelevancy. Besides, it's not like their God is doing anything helpful at all in these times of crisis, is he?
God works in MyStErIoUs ways 😤🙄🤮
far too little and thousands of years too late. the catholic church is a violent, authoritarian child rape and child genital mutilation cult and needs to be entirely destroyed.
Crazy how God created the universe 13.8 billion years ago and then changes his mind on policies now. If I didn't know better, I'd think that people were making up these policies arbitrarily.
view more: next ›