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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Man I used like some of this guys writings but he has a serious problem with his idea that being pro-Russia is the only marker of a potential revolutionary (I’m totally over stating his position but it’s pretty damn close.) He disses people like Brian Becker, and parties like the PSL for not backing a Libertarian backed “anti war” rally, and is not open to any real discussion about it. The guy is real cozy with “patsocs” and dabbles in straight up reactionary Russian Nationalism on twitter. I back Russia over NATO in this war but this guy takes it too far, he takes right wingers are their word and sees actual rightitst as a better ally than leftists who are still fooled but could be brought to our side. I was once a lib that this guy would’ve written off and alienated with his rhetoric. It’s a shame this guy just doesn’t seem to understand that he is pushing a real OP rightitst line.

He even thinks Becker giving critical support for Bernie is some huge sin while he cozy's up to people who give critical support to Trump. He considers backing LGBTQ and drag shows to be “alienating the masses” showing he only cares about a small portion of the masses, or is stuck in a reactionary whole where that is the reality of the masses.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think this is where we find fundamental disagreements. To me it is vastly worse to support imperialist shills like Bernie than to have a common cause with people who happen to hold some reactionary views on cultural issues.

There are countless communists in the global south with reactionary views on gender and sexuality, and while those views are wrong and should be denounced and corrected through ideological struggle, this does not justify refusing to support or work with them.

There is no issue more important for the global liberation of workers than the anti-imperialist struggle. If someone holds all the correct positions on cultural issues but does not oppose, or worse, even reinforces and supports imperialism, then their net effect on the world is a reactionary one.

More so than that of anti-war, anti-imperialist right wingers, regardless whether this position comes from a place of principles or opportunism, or simple contrarianism. What matters is the result, and although they don't realize it the libertarians who take up anti-imperialist advocacy are directly helping to undermine the capitalist system they think they are trying to save.

Capitalism cannot survive without imperialism. And it is capitalist imperialism that is the greatest obstacle to the liberation of all oppressed peoples and disadvantaged minorities.

Contradictions are present everywhere and in everything we do. In a broad spectrum anti-war, anti-imperialist alliance there will be severe contradictions. Regardless the faults of the groups participating in these movements, the only ones who benefit from trying to turn people away from supporting or joining such movements through moralistic purity arguments are the imperialists.

I'm sorry but i think what you and a few other comrades here are doing in taking up these radlib talking points about RAWM is exactly what Rainer has been criticizing about Brian Becker and the PSL. Becker is someone who i personally have a lot of admiration and respect for, and so does Rainer, but the criticism expressed in this piece is absolutely valid.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago

One cannot claim to be serious about the cause of workers' liberations while repeating and reinforcing imperialist propaganda narratives.

The guy is real cozy with "patsocs"

This purity fetish has to stop. Guilt by association gets us nowhere, and the term "patsoc" has become just another meaningless smear term.

dabbles in straight up reactionary Russian Nationalism

Rainer explicitly advocates for the return of the Soviet Union, this is the antithesis of Russian nationalism.

He considers backing LGBTQ and drag shows to be "alienating the masses"

Please show me where he ever said this.

he only cares about a small portion of the masses

I have seen no indication of this in any of his writings.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This one ain't it either. I'm straight convinced that man is an opp, no way can you even pay me to believe a 'principled Marxist' who DEFINITELY 'performs dialectical analysis' can come to the conclusion that RAWM is a benign movement. Just playing pick-me for omnicidal crackers afaic.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not sure on the opp or not since some pretty famous Marxists the last century made similar errors before some of the big wars and had a century less of noise/propaganda to filter through. We do need an international anti-war movement, but it should be grassroots and notso funded by billionaires. The sentiment is 100pct there, lots of sympathy from bars to workplaces in even in the Imperial core, moreso in the periphery, real question is to make use of it, not overcomplicate things, but that's more for influencers, orgs etc who can project and get out there to come up with everything, not me.

I'd agree with you because RAWM is also funded by various big bourgeois factions (Peter Thiel comes to mind), just a bit more cloaked in anti-imperialism, imperialist anti-imperialism if you will, made to perfectly consolidate some power from the most reactionary parts of the petite bourgeois/bourgeois using some culture war stuff and what's left of the mostly gone anti-nuke movement as a lure to confuse. Its a simple playing every side that can be found, though not so simple, though by airing their complaints this time the bourgeois again push themselves deeper into fascism.

On diamat he must have done the standard western 3 stager that falls short of true analysis which goes through the 'dark night of the absolute', which I think was left off here if I were to wager, which is why on the surface it'd seem like its a critical support ala your usual anti-imperialist but imperfect theocracy or what not, but you look into it more, think of who in the imperial core benefits if this ran to its conclusion, if they'd truly be what they said, who is running this, how bourgeois movements tend to push the opposite of what they desire; Ex fighting for their illusory ill-defined freedom leads to the tightening grip of markets and development of fascism. RAWM is no threat to the core's machinations for big war beyond our nightmares, and is a good trojan horse should they need to gain control of the movement for any purpose, ironically even pro-war.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Way I look at it, it's entirely possible for someone to push an opp line without even knowing they are anymore these days; and we no longer have the time to fuck about with bad analysis. Analysis like Rainer's is going to get people killed, likely en masse; and when the dust settles, he'll be tryna backpeddle like he had no clue any of this could've been in the mail. Just like every other colonizer who's gotten hella people killed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

He can’t pretend no one told him, I’ve said this to him directly many times. I’ve given him many paragraphs of shit while trying to not to be an asshole about it. The guy really doesn’t care to leave his reactionary bubble.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Hey, at least you tried.