If any illegal content would be posted there, let us know. If it's 1 community, we can block the community. If it's all over the place, we can defederate. But I see defederation as a last resort. If there are other ways to keep our server safe I prefer that.

2 weeks ago: Lemmy is so amazing, create an account anywhere and you can access everything! It's like forums but better!

Now: defederate >:(

Ugh. I get the concern in scenarios like this, but in the last couple of days every instance has calls to defederate from this or that. Eventually it's just gonna be small islands of "very compatible" instances.

Well, guess it's back to making separate accounts for everything!

As a federation shouldn't we start with Diplomacy? This is a prime example. We didn't wait long enough, and it was clarified rather quickly.

Defederation should require more deliberation and unless an immediate emergency shouldn't there be other actions under consideration first.

I wish there was a way to exclude the whole instance from my personal feed without requiring admins to defederate it. Right now I have to play whackamole with new communities popping up. And it's not just the NSFW stuff.

Why would we need to defederate? Just don't subscribe to their communities and you won't see their content

They did post an update about it

Looks like its less about blatant loli/shota content and more about "characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage"

How and if that changes anyones feelings about it is up to them.

I think those countries should put the resources used to go after neckbeards fapping to drawings to investigate people trafficking real children.

NOT true. There is an update for clarification: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

It feels like partitioning off the NSFW stuff is maybe not a bad idea. Seriously, this might be an area where having multiple Lemmy instances is a good thing. It’s still there, and accessible to anyone who wants it, but folks scrolling Lemmy at work don’t have to worry about something they don’t want to see at the moment showing up. Nobody is saying it can’t exist, but most people don’t have their porn in the same place as their regular reading! So why should it be included in the SFW instances?

UPDATE: The lemmynsfw admins posted an clarification here: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826. My original argument for defederating doesn’t stand any more.

Drawn a.k.a. not real and not obviously underage a.k.a. not attempting to depict illegal situations, doesn't seem like a problem.

Although I agree there should be more ways to filter instances, per user. A blacklist along with the whitelist that is subscription. Show local, show subscribed, show everything (except blacklisted).

Note: admins can delete remote communities without having to block the whole instance.

If lemmy.world admins clicked on "remove" on the offending remote communities that would block them but keep access to the rest of the instance.

That said, I understand the concerns.

Looking a bit they are struggling to come up with a comprehensive policy. Thats gonna be a giant pain in the ass. I wish them luck. In the meantime I'd have a bit of patience and just report anything that is illegal.

At least with jerboa you can turn off NSFW so you don't need to see it. Alternatively just stick to local or subscribed and you don't have to worry about seeing anything.

A quick glance at the post gave me the impression lots of people from that instance are against the change. I’d wait and see how things settle before defederating. Defederating is detrimental to lemmy/kbin growth, it should be a last resort approach.

Edit: They've made an update claiming it was bad English. https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826 - I think they should take a harder line but I will have to continue monitoring it to decide if I want to keep federating with them. Not a good look tho.

Original comment:

God damnit, I was glad there was an NSFW instance WHY did they have to go do some shit like this

Welp, as an instance admin I'm probably gonna have to defed them.

Those admins are fools. They say they're not into it, but don't want to prevent others from it.

Well guess what, it's like the Nazi bar thing. You can't just let them be. They're intolerable to most people so by not banning them your other customers will leave. Congratulations, you now run a Nazi bar.

I foresee most users on lemmynsfw leaving, and it basically just becoming a pedo site.

The other issue is that lemmy.world users that subscribe to it will cause the content to be cached on this server too which could create issues for the admin.

With AI-generated images too this is a real minefield.

Honestly I'd rather we just de-federate from porn instances entirely, people can sign up there directly if they want that.

Wow the potential for a /c/lemmydrama is already brewing with that admin's responses lol.

I see what they mean about petite/young looking people, but is this the hill they really want to die on? They're making proper moderation more difficult for themselves by splitting hairs.

itt: being attracted to adult petite women is bad

sorry, adult petite women

Irrelevant of the moral issues that this poses, such content is illegal in many countries (e.g the UK).

As I commented before on this specific issue earlier, I think that this argues that lemmy/kbin really need a more-descriptive mechanism for classifying content than just "NSFW" or "not-NSFW".