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As much as I’m not letting my steak or chicken to vegans I really don’t understand why the fur business is kept alive. Who the fuck has the shit taste to wear that? And can afford it? Eating a cow I can get but skinning ferrets no fucking way.
Eating animals is nothing someone that likes animals would do. "They are treated like cattle"
Who the fuck has the shit taste to wear that? And can afford it?
I suspect there's a big overlap between those groups...
Yeah… definitely a close 100% overlap. The thing is, as much as I loath them, I don’t see shit I can’t do against them that wouldn’t land me or mines in troubles. So even though I hate them with all my guts for the ferrets and much more I wonder; what can I do?
The most obvious one would be voting for politicians that want to shut that shit down nationally? Discussing it in a negative light, help out making anti-fur become the default stance? Talk to people you know that are pro- or on the fence?
Very good points. Hard ones though. I’m from Belgium and we have elections next year. I have absolutely no party to vote for. Either they are advocating regionalism, corrupt as fuck, housing religious extremists or supporting the class divide. All assholes; it’s literally just choosing my poison, bit in the end you still fucking die.
I’m trying to talk to the few person I have around me but I’m starting to sound like an old angry & sour guy.
Well you could always do like more and more people do and just check out? Take care of your own shit and wash your hands of the evils of the world - Don't participate in "democracy" by voting.
Not caring at all is always easier than caring more than the average person.
Not my style. Also not what I want for my kids. But honestly it’s hard to take actions that matters, that have impact.
I'm sure there's smaller parties you can vote for, right? And Belgium is not like the us where voting for a third party gets you nothing.
Who the fuck has the shit taste to wear that?
Chinese people. Fur is largely exported. In any case: "glass house and throwing stones". Your steaks are a taste thing as well. In both cases you have animals killed for something you like, not something you need. Especially since the cow is likely skinned for leather as well.
Not the fur farm side of the industry but actual trapping is still done but as a means of controlled population management for furbears. Specific species like beaver have a tendency to continually grow their populations as many places we've extirpated all natural predators.
If the ecosystem is fucked then we need to restore the ecosystem, not start killing things to attempt a poor replication.
The point is that it allows us to gain metrics on the population so we can implement meaningful changes, based on data.
That makes zero sense, if you're collecting data then you don't take action as that spoils the experiment. If you've collected the data then you know the results and should start fixing things.
At no point during this situation is there a decade or so for populations to 'explode'.
The actual amount of trapping is limited meaning the removed animals are de minimis compared to the total population.
It's important to continue to collect data as you implement changes to ensure that your efforts aren't having adverse effects.
Here's a report on the practice: https://www.nhfishandwildlife.com/assets/Performance-reports/W89R21-6Furbearer%202023-Final.pdf
Why are you saying 'removed' when you mean killed?
Dead furbearers are no longer a part of the population due to the means of sampling, trapping. So they've been removed from the population.
Maybe this could work for a higher acceptance for mass shootings too, if the victims are not killed but removed from the population.
Ew. 'Sampling' as killing now? And 'furbearers'? Animals are being killed by humans, for fur. Using different words just shows how uncomfortable people are with what's happening.
Dying industries have long deathrattles. Sometimes it's more merciful and environmental to kill then before "the economy" is ready.
This is horrifying, I didnt realize these animals are actually farmed and not trapped / hunted.
- Materials and fabrics have some such a long way there is no need for fur in terms of density of warm material (winter coats) or for softness.
- There are other uses for fur like makeup and shaving brushes, where fur is the best but for almost all users, plastic brushes will do a perfect job.
I would be really excited to see a day where even leather is replaced by a superior alternative, and I'm very curious about waxed canvas, and any other waterproofing that doesnt involve PTFE chemicals.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The EU executive has decided to buy time pushing back to 2026 a decision on whether to introduce an EU-wide ban on the keeping and killing of animals for fur.
The announcement came on Thursday (7 December) in response to a European Citizens Initiative (ECI) which gathered 1.5 million signatures calling to prohibit livestock farming for the sole or main purpose of fur production, as well as selling farmed animal fur and products containing it within the EU.
Citizen initiatives allow petitions that reach the one million signatures threshold to be discussed by the European Commission, which can decide to put forward a legislative proposal on the matter.
According to a senior EU official, the Commission will in the meantime “not just talk on the phone with member states” but take some practical steps, which will include on-site visits to fur farms.
“It is deeply frustrating and worrying that the Commission is side-stepping its responsibility for decisive action to end the outdated and unnecessary fur trade,” said Joanna Swabe, senior director at Human Society International/Europe adding that leading virologists warn that fur farms present a very real pandemic disease risk.
However, for the animal welfare campaign group Four Paws, the Commission has now made it clear that it is open to an EU-wide ban on fur farming, and it is “confident that an independent scientific opinion from [EU food safety body] EFSA will conclude that the current housing systems in fur farms are incompatible with animal welfare.”
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What's the alternative? Plastic fake fur? Why we don't stop the cruel farming of all animals? The whole discussion is very much hypocritical.
Alternative is no fur, we have plenty of materials to keep us warm. Fur farming is particularly cruel. I usually discourage people from looking it up but you might need it.