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It might help wrap your mind around this federation stuff by thinking about email. You don't need to concern yourself with whether you and someone you want to send an email to are on the same email domain, say between Outlook and Gmail, you just send an email and because everyone is using the same protocol, the email can get to anyone with an email address.
The fediverse is kinda the same way.
Good analogy. I think it's closer to USENET in nature, but there's every chance many people are not aware of what usenet is or was.
I miss the Usenet. That was my intro to nerd culture.
this really helped, thanks!
I'm not using lemmy (the software) however because kbin is also federated I can see your post and leave a reply as well.
This is the part that blows my mind!
Lmao it's awesome isn't it, I'm just trying to wrap my head around it too
It's so clever! I checked this post out on Mastodon and it just looked like a normal tweet. I guess you could see Lemmy/Mastodon as like "email clients" except rather than going by an email protocol we're going by the ActivityPub protocol.
I never really meshed with Twitter, but maybe it would work in my head if presented more in the style of a reddit thread.
Greetings from kbin.social, Lemmy's cooler younger cousin.
Once subscribed, you can view the community from your lemmy.world instance and vote/comment on it from there. Your votes/comments are then diseminated across to other instances.
oh my god that was so simple, i was looking at communities i wasn't subbed to yet lol - thanks!
Happy to help.
It's super interesting seeing how Lemmy works. Came here from kbin and prior to this post had no idea about how instances link.
Took me a few minutes to work out how to link my communities, can you access the links if I do them like this? [email protected] and [email protected]
I really think the fediverse decentralized structure is going to be the future in the long run. It's going to have some rough stuff here and there, and I don't fully understand how it will work (for example, let us say I joined a small lemmy server and it shuts down. Will all of those communities and posts cease to be part of the whole?)
I'm loving it so far though.
To your question, my understanding is that all your account activity is stored on your instance as the primary source, and then copied into other instances as users there view and interact with your posts and comments. So if the instance with your account on it shuts down, all of its content that was already copied over to other servers will be preserved there, but some of the newer activity that didn't have time to propagate yet might be lost.
Thank you, that makes sense. So another question. If my instance closes down, will I lose control over all of the copied content from my previous account since I would most likely have to make a new one on another instance?
I'm not sure what options there might exist now or in the future for gracefully migrating between instances, but in the worst case yes, if your instance unexpectedly shuts down then you won't be able to authenticate and access that user account anymore. You do need to have some trust in the instance you join.
What about user accounts and ownership of the community though?
If that's a worry for you, you can buy a cheap VPS and set up your own instance.
That's a good question! I'm still learning about federation and trying to get my head around things too.
it would help if there was some background identifier though so we could differentiate from the same community on two different instances without having to type @instance every time
Is lemmy.world connected to kbin? I'm trying to interact with their instances but it doesn't seem to work. kbin.social appears to be one of the faster growing instances. It would be nice if we could interact with them.
kbin.social has been getting overloaded from sudden increased traffic due to the reddit hug of death today (Streisand effect from reddit banning a sub promoting it). The developer/admin of kbin.social has had to temporarily enable ddos protection to keep the site up which they say may be interfering with proper communication between kbin and the rest of the fediverse. This is probably why accessing kbin.social instances from lemmy isn't working right now.
That makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Well, it is listed at https://lemmy.world/instances so it should work.
Maybe the servers were slow at the time you tried?
Heck, I'm not even subbed to this community, and I can still comment on your post from Beehaw.
I'm not even using Lemmy and I can still comment here
I'm not even on the internet and I can comment here.
I'm not even alive and I can comment here
AND MY AXE
I (Lemmy.world registered) just managed to comment on a beehaw postβ¦ I donβt know enough about how this works to help you fix it but it is possible!
I got the βyou are not logged inβ error before my registration was accepted, not sure if thatβs useful for you?
Thanks, I got it figured out. It turns out the cross instance community you want to comment on, you just need to subscribe to it first.