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A federal appeals court is hearing arguments Monday on whether to reinstate a gag order against Donald Trump in the federal case charging him with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

Prosecutors with special counsel Jack Smith’s team will urge a three-judge panel of the Washington-based appeals court to put back in place an order barring the Republican former president from making inflammatory statements about lawyers in the case and potential witnesses.

The prosecutors say those restrictions are necessary to prevent Trump from undermining confidence in the court system and intimidating people who may be called to testify against him. Defense lawyers have called the gag order an unconstitutional muzzling of Trump’s free speech rights and say prosecutors have presented no evidence to support the idea that his words have caused harm or made anyone feel threatened.

The gag order is one of multiple contentious issues being argued ahead of the landmark March 2024 trial. Defense lawyers are also trying to get the case dismissed by arguing that Trump, as a former president, is immune from prosecution and protected by the First Amendment from being charged. The outcome of Monday’s arguments won’t affect those constitutional claims, but it will set parameters on what Trump as both a criminal defendant and leading presidential candidate can and cannot say ahead of the trial.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My favorite part:

Defense lawyers are also trying to get the case dismissed by arguing that Trump, as a former president, is immune from prosecution and protected by the First Amendment from being charged.

If that stands up, Obama should just go murder Trump. Immune from prosecution, right?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Get Trump and Biden into the octagon to determine the next president

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Kick him right in the bone spurs

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

did they cite anything in the law saying this?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They made it up and are hoping a judge eventually agrees

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I doubt they even hope the judge will agree, they're just doing it for the sake of his base. It's been his prime defense the whole time - the fact that it's bullshit doesn't matter, because as far as his base is concerned, if Trump said it, it's true

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why can’t he be held in contempt like any other normal citizen?

If it were me, I’d maybe get one warning. This douche baby has been uncooperative and abusive at every possible chance.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

🤑🤑🤑

He's got money, obviously

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I would honestly be shocked if it didn’t get reinstated after everything he’s said outside of the courtroom

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

My faith is gone.

"Yeah he tried to overthrow the government, but the Presidency is not an office of the United States" kinda broke me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

The gag order is also extremely limited, but Trump really wants to attack witnesses and random court staff.

In the New York civil suit, he was so desperate to attack the principal law clerk that even after he was gagged against attacking her, he filed a motion attacking her. That bizarrely included random pictures of her, despite the judge knowing what she looks like. And the actual complaint about her was basically that she did her job and has aspirations to become a judge in the future.

Long story short, he is committing acts of stochastic terrorism. That's on top of directly attacking witnesses.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Why do they bother with this shit when they know they won’t do anything when he immediately breaks the orders……

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A barbed wire gag? Perfect!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I was thinking an actual ball-gag with a padlock.