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A couple of years ago, researcher Tomas Ståhl from the Department of Psychology at University of Illinois, looked at four studies to help settle a question:

"There is a widespread cross-cultural stereotype suggesting that atheists are untrustworthy and lack a moral compass. Is there any truth to this notion?"

The four studies Ståhl looked at encompassed 4,622 people, split between atheists and theists in the US (very religious) and Sweden (very secular) and investigated the participant’s endorsement of Liberty/oppression and amoral tendencies, as well as the five foundations of the Moral Foundations Theory: Care/harm, Fairness/cheating, Loyalty/betrayal, Authority/subversion, and Sanctity/degradation. In the first two studies, religiosity was found to be unrelated to amoral tendencies and endorsement of Liberty/oppression, as well as individualising moral foundations of care and fairness. However, atheists were found to have a weaker endorsement of binding moral foundations such as deference to authority, sanctity, and in-group loyalty, leading Ståhl to conclude "...they are less inclined than religious people to view respect for authority, ingroup loyalty, and sanctity as relevant for morality, and they are more likely to make moral judgments about harm on a consequentialist, case by case basis,”. The second two studies showed the same pattern of results.

So, it would seem the moral compass of atheists is just as good as the moral compass of theists. However, atheists are more likely to assess the morality of actions based on their consequences, whereas religious people tend to endorse moral values that promote group cohesion. Ståhl ends by saying:

“Atheism merely implies the absence of religious belief, and says nothing about what positive beliefs the disbeliever holds.”

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'd wager to bet if you base your morals on bronze age texts your less introspective, moral and empathetic than someone who has to sit down and really weigh in on matters of the human condition and the tragedies of life that a moral compass helps navigate for oneself and their community.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know what I am but I feel like something is wrong if you need to fear or believe in a deity to be a decent person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's interesting. I think (with no evidence other than personal anecdote) that if you posed an ethical dilema to a theist, they'd say "its important to do the right thing because that's what god says I should do and I don't want to go to hell" whereas an atheist would simply say "it's important to do the right thing because it's the right thing."

Do theists not really exhibit altruistic morals if the reason for those morals is fear of going to hell/not getting into heaven?