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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Ehhhh

Signal lost a lot of my love when they removed SMS support

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

sms is useless tho?
it's basically a confirmation code delivery system, with some ads and spam

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's not useless in western countries. We don't all have our entire country communicating via Metas WhatsApp lol

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol, that was the worst feature ever. If you forgot disabling it at install, it was nearly impossible to see it's going to be a sms or signal message. (Especially for people who aren't tech savvy)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Support for SMS

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That is dumb that they'd remove a feature, but I tried it and switched back to a dedicated texting app. The feature wasn't full featured enough for me to want to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is a better alternative than signal?

[–] u_tamtam 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

XMPP

As I wrote elsewhere in this thread, XMPP would be my preference. It just works. In fact that's what the other messengers (at facebook, Google, …) already use, but chose to put behind a walled-garden.
What matters is that whatever comes next (or, from the past in the case of XMPP) is federated, so no single organization has a single-handed control/monopoly over the network. Matrix and SimpleX are federated alternatives to XMPP, but I don't see Matrix stabilizing any time soon, and SimpleX just isn't ready yet. XMPP can offer you today an experience that's comparable to WhatsApp/Signal/Telegram/…

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What's the issue with Matrix? I've tried both Matrix and XMPP but stuck with Matrix because it just works. XMPP is also good but it lacks a good Android client (The available clients look very outdated, and honestly, pretty ugly). It's also kinda hard to know if your client or server even supports all the extensions that are needed.

[–] u_tamtam 3 points 1 year ago

I've tried both Matrix and XMPP but stuck with Matrix

And so did I but ended up with XMPP instead of Matrix. Self hosting my messaging was important to me, and the cost of doing so is prohibitive with Matrix, the protocol and its implementations are just that inefficient, and there has been no progress in this area for as long as I've been keeping an eye on it. In my eyes, Matrix is broken by design.

Now, Element is indeed a decent client, and above the average of all XMPP clients, but what matters is for XMPP to have at least one great client per platform, which is undoubtedly the case. In practice, all my daily messaging happens over XMPP, the people I interact with are far from the nerdy type, and to them it's pretty much equivalent to WhatsApp & al.

Back to Matrix, besides the fact that after a decade there hasn't been any progress towards diversifying implementations (it's so messy, complex and changing that it's basically the same people implementing both client and server sides, and there is only one viable implementation to this day, by one entity), which is a big fat red herring, the entity who's behind 95% of the code of Matrix is now facing severe financing challenges. The future of Matrix is all but certain because of that, and there are reasons for concern.

I don't "hate" Matrix/Element/the Foundation, I just don't understand why they painted themselves in the corner they are in today, and rode the pipe dream of their broken protocol for so long. Would they cease to exist, it would look like natural selection to me. They are just not competitive and sorry if it hurts.

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