They would do that before he said those things.
Also, they would do that to a white guy after he said those things.
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"Never forget, in the story of Jesus, the hero was Killed by the state"
Run the Jewels
One of the most powerful live performances ever recorded:
https://youtu.be/bd7fb5oQhVg?si=MwEHBknrQfvotYdt&t=1m50s
Yes, trump fans on mass are hypocritical violent xenophobes. That's fairly obvious from all their hypocritical violent xenophobia.
I'm more upset by the ahistorical use of a modern ethnonym.
If you want to know, it’s “en masse” not “on mass”. I would want to know, and then dive deeper onto where it came from and why we still say it regularly.
If you didn’t want to know and I just seem like some jerk correcting you, pop me a downvote and I’ll delete the comment.
I love a good correction and I support any chance to encourage people to delve into etymologies!
Of course I also love language change and all language that people use is correct language, so I'm on mass for life.
Thank you!
Not if it's meant as a demonym. The toponym "Palestine" was already used as early as 1150 BC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine)
It was used since the aegaen Peleset took over following (probably) some kind of brokered peace with Egypt, yep. The peleset seem to have been pretty quickly Canaanized by their new subjects, but that polity ceased to exist like 500+ before Jesus and the Roman province of the same name wasn't founded until 100+ years after he died.
So it's probably not appropriate to call that area Palestine during this period.
And regardless of that, the term has very specific and vivid modern connotations that needlessly muddy the waters when we're talking about a time when rabbinic Judaism was less than maybe 200 years old and Islam still like 600+ years in the future.
So once again I'm tempted to hue and cry about Behind The Bastard's two parter on how capitalism totally ate Christianity. (On YouTube: Part One, Part Two, note that these are ad-free if you've successfully ad-blocked YouTube)
During the great depression (1920s-1930s) preachers were as left-wing as Marx and were totally into feeding the hungry and clothing the poor and stuff, but that all was about to change.
Hoover was great for the industrialists, who were making serious bank, and even buying banks. They actually liked that the population was living in cardboard boxes and dining on shoe leather and flour paste (and dying of malnutrition). It built character! But the people were getting lean and hungry and despite missteps by the Leninists over in the Soviet Union, whatever they were doing had to be better than this. So much of the US was thinking of Octobering some Revolution themselves.
The industrialists, in the meantime liked the other guy and were thinking of taking some NatSoc tips and Putting on the Reich over here in the States.
FDR instigated the New Deal to slow down discontent from burning down the US federal government. Which mostly pissed off the industrialists.
James W. Fifield Jr. enters the chat. He's in super debt for erecting a huge chapel in Los Angeles, the very first megachurch. He finds that he can make bank by telling rich people they don't have to follow all that feed the poor nonsense based on his interpretation of the bible. This, they realize, is a fabulous idea, and this heralds the beginnings of a massive PragerU style propaganda campaign (targeting children, and later, religious ministers) to convince people that unregulated capitalism is actually good, and communism is a clear and present danger to the spirit of America.
At first it's pretty bad, but in time it convinces more people, at least people who want to believe they too will be on the gravy train and one of the elites. It all eventually leads us here, where we're polluting the species to death and the MAGAs are on the warpath, but this was intended by Ford, Disney, Westinghouse, Koch and all those crew.
I don’t even think a lot of trump supporters know about the modern Mizrahi, and would just assume they’re Muslims.
why am I seeing more and more Facebook memes over here, what the fuck is this?
I get the meme but wouldn't Jesus be ethnically Jewish not ethnically Palestinian?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Jews
Palestinian Jews or Jewish Palestinians were the Jewish inhabitants of the Palestine region (known in Hebrew as Eretz Yisrael, lit. 'Land of Israel') prior to the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
Yeah but we're not talking immediately before the establishment of Israel in the Palestine region in 1948 , I'm referring to the ethnic group inhabiting the region around 2000 years ago during Jesus' life (assuming he was a real person)
I'd say the same logic applies: he was a Jew from the Palestine region. Of course that's probably not the most accurate terminology, but I wouldn't deem it incorrect.
That's true but I'm an Australian from the Perth region and have no ancestral connection to the inhabitants of this land 200 years ago let alone 2000. It would be disingenuous to claim that there is a shared heritage with the people who live in an area today with those from thousands of years ago. Off the top of my head there are many times where the demographics of Palestine may have changed not including the Jewish migration into the region in the mid 20th century. Examples would be Roman conquest of the region, the crusades, the Turkish migration into the region from the central Asian steppe and migration of Arabs into the region. (Full disclosure I am not educated on the topic I would love to know if anyone can share with me a more accurate rendition of the historical migration in the region)
Don't get me wrong free Palestine, but I'm not 100% sure that it's accurate to claim that modern Palestinians share a common heritage with the people who lived in the region during the time of Jesus
Palestinian doesn’t just refer to the Turkish or Arab people of Palestine today though. It also includes the Mizrahi and the people who are a mix of those groups. Jesus would look like the Mizrahi and the difference between him and them is closer to the difference between Boudicca and a modern scot.
It becomes easier if you think of Palestinian as a demonym rather than an ethnonym.
There are several different ethnic groups of Jews. Ashkenaszi (European Jews and what westerners automatically assume a Jewish person is and looks like), Sephardic Jews, Yemeni Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Karaite Jews, and so many more. As well, the Jewish people have been subjugated to being forced to move and travel and who knows what the people of the time of Jesus would have actually looked like.
"ethnically jewish"