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I can wear a dress to work and nobody criticizes me. I’d be really sad if I had to wear pants all the time, they’re just not as comfortable. Let’s normalize pretty dresses for dudes!

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[–] [email protected] 169 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Yea, but let's design some to work on male bodies. Dresses are generally built for female body shapes, and rely on curves most guys just don't have in order to complete the shape - so we end up looking like Graveyard Barbie in them.

Guys tend to be a lot more oblong, and the overall design would need a rethink in order to actively work with that shape, instead of unsuccessfully trying to compensate for it.

No, I don't know how to do this.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a slutty nun for Halloween and looking cute in a skirt is definitely possible, but man does it take a lot of work to find anything that fits decently. Dresses are simply impossible to find of course because, as you said, the shape is not at all made for men.

Also that outfit made me want to go full f1nn5ter and dress up in feminine clothes all the time lol. It's so much fun! I'm so down for people to figure out how to make the shape work for masculine body shapes.

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a slutty nun for Halloween

Just don't make it a habit.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't know if I could keep that vow.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My first thought when I read op was that trousers are a relative new development.

The Romans made fun of the Gauls for wearing them.

So if you decide to wear traditional Roman dress, trousers shouldn't be included.

But it's still designed for men.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Dudes in parts of Africa and the Middle East have already got it figured out. Djellabas look fantastic on most men. I'd love to see more people wearing them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

More like Robes than Dresses, maybe? Could start with some Indian or Middle Eastern fashions as a starting point...

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Honestly, one thing I hate about being biologically male is that men's clothes all look so goddamn generic.

Oh, you're wearing a suit. It's. A suit. I guess. They all look the same.

You're wearing jeans. And a t-shirt. And they all look basically the same.

Khakis and a polo? You madlad. Well, you and everybody else at the country club. Who all look exactly the fucking same.

The thing that really gets me is, it didn't used to be this way. You look at pictures of people in paintings and whatnot and men had some wild shit going on. There was variety, if somewhat less, even into the early 20th. But... seriously tell me if I'm wrong here... it feels like we got to WWII and men's fashion just stopped. Like an entire generation of men put on uniforms and eighty years later we still haven't completely taken them off.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They don't ALL look the same. It's just that the stuff that actually looks non-generic are either super expensive or super uncomfortable.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Or, just bad. There's nothing generic about Ed Hardy. Most people elect to look generic rather than be caught dead in that mess.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

True that! I have some awesome looking denim pants, that are literally painted with colorful paint. I always get compliments from both men and women when I wear them. I also got them basically for free at the store, since no one were buying them.

But, they're about as comfortable as you would expect denim pants painted with thick paint to be: stiff and scratchy.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Mainstream clothes for sure, but I feel the same way about mainstream women's clothes. Waist high jeans, an inoffensively colored top and a vest or blazer. Switch out the jeans for beige linen pants in the summer. Yawn. If you want inspiration for some more interesting clothes in general but men in particular, you gotta look to non-mainstream subcultures. Especially ones that don't give shit about gender. I hung out with hippies for years and men and women alike are dressed in cool, colorful and interesting clothes. Both genders wear pants, dresses, and skirts. It heavily inspired my style and believe me, I stand out a lot among other women. If you want more variety you have got to look further than what's mainstream. Because that'll always trend towards boring and basic.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Some workmates and I petitioned our boss for the return of 70's office shorts over the course of one hot summer, to no avail.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

70s? Those are just summer work clothes in Australia.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (5 children)

As a man I never considered pants to be uncomfortable. They are the perfect mix of range of motion, hiding the private parts. and support. Dresses, skirts, and robes seem like a nightmare to wear. You either restrict your range of motion or have to constantly worry about showing your underwear. And I would wear boxer briefs underneath by choice anyhow, so I still end up wearing pants.

I think the bigger issue is that most of us men are too lazy to look for different kinds of pants and end up wearing the same stuff year-round. Which can indeed become uncomfortable due to changes in temperature. But that issue wouldn't be fixed by having access to dresses or robes. As again, some would either be too cold or too hot.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to have a pretty intense not-like-the-other-girls fase in my teens, and I never wore skirts or dresses, and felt the same way you do. Then I got over that internalized misogyny and started experimenting with clothes a little, and the first time I put on a dress it was like a hallelujah moment. The most comfortable thing in the goddamn world. They do not restrict your movement at all, that's only a problem if you wear knee-high pencil skirts of stiff fabric. In colder seasons you wear leggings under them which are equally comfortable. It was so incredibly comfy I did a complete 180 and it took me 10 years to wear a pair of pants again, and that's only because the waist high mom jeans in style now are so loose and non-restricting. Any other style of pants I won't touch with a 10 feet pole.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

But how do you sit in an office chair with your feet on the seat, like I do, in a dress?

No, I refuse to sit properly.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Nah no pity here, we got pockets best thing in the world you should probably feel more envious really

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I’m gonna design a dress made of nothing but pockets out of pure spite.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I wouldn't mind dressing in tunic+toga.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A friend has a degree in fashion design and her senior project was a clothing line that you ordered by measurement instead of men's/women's sizing so it was supposed to fit a person not a gender.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think those are called kilts, and some of the cooler ones come with pockets (just like the cool lady dresses.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

Completely agree. While both pants and dresses have their pros and cons, it should be everybody's own choice which one they want to wear. I hope that this is something that will change over time.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A few summers ago I brought up the idea that men should be allowed to wear shorts to the office if women can wear dresses and my boss literally laughed in my face. We work in a small-ish office and are not client facing so who tf cares what we wear? A while later they made a whole big deal about us being allowed to wear jeans to the office ever day (vs only on Fridays) you could hear a pin drop at the staff meeting. It was painful but satisfying to watch. Fuck those assholes…

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

At least if men wore more skirts and dresses then manufacturers would add pockets.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boxers-while-working gang rise up.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Wear whatever the hell you want, right? Screw genders and made up rules around them.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is why I am nude 100% of the time.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I have 4 kilts and wear them to work when I want to, almost as a dare to management so I can retire off a lawsuit. Utilikilts and Verillas have great kilts with pockets for workin' men that like a pretty skirt.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean, I don’t have to wear pants…

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Im pro men wearing whatever the f they want. Im not pro shaming men wearing pans to promote men wearing dresses

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pants are optional when entering my house however underwear is mandatory lol.

A lot of comments here are not wrong. Men’s clothing in general doesn’t have a lot of variety. 4 different colors of the same style shirt or more doesn’t count as variety. Look in a big box clothing store and you’ll see that the women’s section is almost always 2 to nearly 3x larger.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My boss made it very clear that while the pictures in our dress code handbook are of the general gender stereotypes, doesn't mean we are holding people to that. As long as you are business casual it doesn't matter how you represent.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I feel the opposite. I wouldn't wear a dress even if it was socially acceptable, they don't look comfy.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I agree with your overall sentiment, but I'm good keeping my ugly knees and hairy legs covered.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I may be in the minority on this, but I wear pants to work every day, even in the summer, and it doesn't feel uncomfortable. I just like wearing my jeans, and if anything, I've gotten more flak from friends about not wearing shorts enough

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Any links to dress fashion for men?

I’m all for it. I hate wearing pants in the summer, but we’re not allowed to wear shorts. However, no one can refuse me wearing a long skirt or dress!

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'm cool with pants. It's one less thing to worry about, not having my crotch exposed or readily available.

Plus, if I fall, my legs are more protected

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