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Fedora Linux 39 Released As A Wonderful Upgrade For Leading Workstations & Servers (www.phoronix.com)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

For every major Fedora update I'll try to perform the upgrade from the Gnome Software app just to see if it works, and every time it breaks and I fall back to good ol' dnf system-upgrade. This is the first time upgrading from Software worked for me, and it was fast too. Nice to see all the Software improvements finally paying off.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Now I understand why some people in the comments from other platform said "Fedora is the new Ubuntu"; in popular perspective today! Loud applause to the Fedora Dev team! Respect.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a great release, GNOME 45 is looking really nice.

Recommended reading: https://fedoramagazine.org/whats-new-fedora-workstation-39/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is a great release

As KDE F38 user, this is a super boring release. Nothing noteworthy for us to look forward to except LibreOffice 7.6 - which you can get via Flatpak anyways. I was hoping the new DNF 5 would make the cut, but guess it's still not ready yet. :(

Guess will have to hold out my excitement until F40 for Plasma 6 and DNF 5 (hopefully).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought dnf 5 wont come with fedora 40 because that coincides with the next RHEL release so they want both of them to ship the stable and tested dnf version.

edit - FedoraProject confirming that F41 is the target for dnf5

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

While delayed by several weeks compared to their initial release goals, today marks the availability of Fedora 39 as a wonderful upgrade to this popular Linux distribution.

Fedora Workstation 39 makes use of the GNOME 45 desktop for having all of the latest open-source desktop capabilities, the LibreOffice 7.6 office suite, LLVM 17 compiler stack available, and many other updated packages available.

Fedora 39 is shipping with the Linux 6.5 kernel although newer versions will come down as stable release updates.

Fedora 39 also has various toolchain upgrades such as GCC 13.2 with GNU Binutils 2.40, Glibc 2.38, and other updates.

I've also been running Fedora Workstation 39 on my main production system already: the Lenovo ThinkPad P14s Gen 4 with AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840U.

I'll be delivering some additional Fedora 39 Linux benchmarks in the coming days on Phoronix.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am thinking of switching from Linux Mint to Fedora. I have always liked Fedora, but have been bitten by some BS like NVIDIA drivers not working and some programs only available as a .deb file (I know about alien... or do I?)

I love GNOME DE, has that modern "I work on a spaceship" feel.

I mostly do music production and some gaming, so pipewire seems intriguing.

Here is the real question: Should I got Silverblue? I just learned about distrobox, so maybe that is my solution for programs I cannot get through flatpak?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can install silverblue, and then rebase to ublue ( https://universal-blue.org/ ). Specifically to the "silverblue-nvidia" variant, and you should get a nice silverblue experience without any of the nvidia struggles, as people at the ublue project take care of that stuff for you.

And yes, distrobox is the goto solution to run stuff that is basically ubuntu-only, or by extension bound to any distro variant / version and not flatpak. This includes graphical applications. Distrobox works great, I do all my work in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice! Looks like I have a fun night ahead of me!

Thank you for showing me uBlue! I want to avoid os-tree if I can, since that seems to defeat the purpose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I want to avoid os-tree if I can, since that seems to defeat the purpose.

How so?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, I totally misunderstood the OS. I was under the impression that using os-tree should be totally avoided for anything other than necessary system programs, and all other software should be installed with flatpaks or containers.

I now understand that using os-tree for some programs is inevitable, and I should embrace it, though still catiously to maintain as clean of an OS as possible for maximum longevity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was under the impression that using os-tree should be totally avoided for anything other than necessary system programs

Interaction with ostree directly shouldn't occur that often; with sudo ostree admin pin *number* (and its -u option) probably being the commands your average Joe should interact with. You probably meant rpm-ostree.

and all other software should be installed with flatpaks or containers.

It's indeed true that initially Fedora intended flatpaks should be preferred. If the software isn't available there, then Toolbx(/Distrobox) is used to access it through a container. And if all else fails, then it's layered through the rpm-ostree command.

I now understand that using os-tree for some programs is inevitable, and I should embrace it, though still catiously to maintain as clean of an OS as possible for maximum longevity.

You're getting the drill! Though, I wonder why you weren't able to rebase to uBlue and had to resort to installing the Nvidia drivers through RPM Fusion instead. It's fine as long as it works, but I imagine that some issues might arise eventually. So consider sharing the steps you took so that the community might help out; perhaps even over at uBlue Discord. You could also just share it here if you will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, I just followed the steps here: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA#OSTree_.28Silverblue.2FKinoite.2Fetc.29

I was diligent about following the configuration guide first: https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration

I think the key is restarting at every step it asks you to, and maybe after anything that seems major or is a prerequisite for another set of program installs. I mean, I got a black screen the first time, but after a hard reset, it just worked.

No doubt UBlue is probably a lot easier. I did not realize I could have just downloaded the ISO instead of trying to rebase, but I like what I am running.

Anyways, doing it the hard way is helping me learn the intricacies of an immutable system, so I am having fun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ah, I got it now thanks for the explanation!

Indeed, in your case acquiring uBlue through its ISO was probably the best option; but I'm glad to hear that it worked out in the end!

Anyways, doing it the hard way is helping me learn the intricacies of an immutable system, so I am having fun.

Well said!

Just in case; consider the following:

  • Pin your current working deployment with the aforementioned sudo ostree admin pin 0 command. After which it remains accessible regardless unless you unpin it later on. This should allow you a working deployment if all else fails and thus a safe haven to rely on.
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh nice! I will do that. I see this as save scumming for real life!

Speaking of, save scumming is a habit I need to rid myself of. I need to allow myself to fail in Baldur's Gate and other games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I see this as save scumming for real life!

Hehe, great analogy :P !

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I saw that the image was failing to build, so I took a chance and followed the RPMFUSION guide and installed it successfully. I am learning to use toolbox for CLI stuff, but now I am going to learn about Distrobox!!