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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!


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[–] bloopernova 125 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And yet they never seem to want to move to china or russia.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

"No, I want to ruin my country!"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They need a Holiday in Cambodia

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

“Gotta say, I’ve noticed how many people are dressed in black around here…”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Cambodia is awesome, a holiday there would really be a great idea

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bold of you to assume Lemmygrad isn't already Russian

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, lemmygrad is 100 percent American.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin's talking points?

Nah, I'm not saying they're all Russian, but they're clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it's state actors or certain members being shills--But there's not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it's much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.

It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren't shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Denying? That's outright praise.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations... uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m'lady

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I think both kinda suck, so I'm making my own that's completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.

The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don't have a ton of time.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This shit is so embarrassing

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always "look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!".

Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.

He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.

Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.

I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that's as bad as Reddit's corporatism.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.

I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

They're conservatives. Hierarchy is the only way they decide what's real. It's the same tribalist thinking that produced the Lady Hope hoax - saying Darwin recanted on his deathbed, as if that would cancel out the last 150 years of evolutionary biology. They genuinely do not understand science or philosophy, because they don't believe arguments can be evaluated, except in terms of interpersonal trust.

So in their minds - if Marx was wrong, about anything, then the whole business might as well be made-up. It is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. They have to be lesser. They must be undeserving of their station, because their station is the only reason they get to decide what is true.

In this worldview, it is your job to make whatever mouth noises justify that mutable truth. I say "your job" because this is all they think you're doing. This is all they think there is. There is no other force in their moral universe. This is quite possibly the human brain's default behavior, and it is not fragile.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I will always advocate the people leave those platforms and go to other instances. I don't know why everybody moved over to Lemmy.world when people left reddit. I assume it must have been heavily promoted over there although I never saw it.

Been on a smaller instance has only upside, it's far less likely to go completely insane and then get itself defederated from other instances, it does not tend to get DDoS attacks as much, and you can still access all the content on those larger instances, assuming you want to.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

I worked with Tom at a pizza hut in the 90s. Dude would always stick his dick in the pizza oven. I never noticed any crazy behavior from him, though.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that's Dessalines? Genuine question...

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The irony that he started lemmy because he got a ban and then does the same shit on his own platform.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Power corrupts but as others have said, the joke is on them as it is decentralized and no longer theirs. They just helped start it.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. Ugh, I don't want to use lemmy anymore now....

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Using their own creation against them is poetic justice though. Nothing stopping anyone from forking the backend either.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Or you could just join an instance that isn't federated with lemmy.ml

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Holy shit that's bad.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I use Kbin so I don't really care, but couldn't someone with at least a little bit of sanity just fork Lemmy? Or at the very least create more instances that aren't run by brainless delusional extremists...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Recently had someone argue Palestine isn't genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.

Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Ah they're a tankie

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