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'I just find bombs, dead people... it's really scary' - British Palestinian girl in Gaza (www.bbc.co.uk)

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

If nothing else, this terrible unnecessary war has shown the West's cognitive dissonance.

Hardcore right wing people generally hate Jewish people, unless the Jewish people are fighting Muslim people, then it's "Jewish people have the right to self-determination!"

People on the left generally do not hate any specific ethnic group, however, we have a long history of criticizing Israel for their apartheid. Being met with the furor of everyone else calling us anti-semites is nothing new, but never has it come so forcefully from so many people all at once.

Moderates in the center aren't speaking out at all for fear of being called anti-semitic, maintaining international relations with a nuclear power, and secretly hoping that this takes attention away from the climate crisis so we can keep going business as usual in favor of the ruling class.

More important than the cognitive dissonance though, is the fact that everyone in the West believes their opinion is the best and will solve everything.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Yeah, after watching the siege of Mariupol and the destruction of civilian infrastructure by Putin, it's kinda hard to defend the same actions, whatever the provocation, by Bibi

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anti-semitic my ass. I know jewish people that are openly open about their retarded leaders.

Jewish people out of all people should understand why genocide is not acceptable. A bunch of old power hungry people are responsible for hundreds of thousands of people being killed or displaced. That's what God wants, amiright?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-stands-with-israel-because-it-seems-like-yo-1850922505

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You are also called and Islamophobe if you aren't taking a stand against all of Israel in this.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (29 children)

Maybe public opinion will change now that there's white victims of the genocide too

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How the fuck can this happen? I mean seriously how can people justify these atrocities in the name of "pick your favourite god".

Feel very sad for this girl and for all civilians that want to just you know live their lives. And remember majority of Gaza is less than 18. Kids.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It's not a religious war, fyi

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

How so? Israel 'settles' there in what they call their holy land. Hamas yells Allah Akbar as they kill and take hostages. Are you trolling?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

No, it has almost nothing to do with religion. The only part of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis that actually tangibly relates to a religious dispute, is the contesting claims over Jerusalem (because it's holy to both Judaism and Islam).

Literally the entire rest of the conflict is based on competing nationalist claims.

Yes, even though Hamas is yelling "Allahu-akbar". Believe it or not, they're not fighting because of their religion, they're fighting because of their political goals (namely in Hamas' case AFAIK the destruction of Israel). They do also happen to be religious, but the primary conflict is a political one.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Hamas's goals are both political and religious.

They're explicitly fighting to establish a Muslim theocracy, under sharia law.

It's not akin to something like the American revolution, where you had a number of religious people fighting to establish a secular country.

It's more like the Maccabean revolt against the Selucids, where the Jewish leaders were the priests, and ended with the establishment of the Hasmonean dynasty where the high priest became king.

Would you really argue that the Maccabean revolt had nothing to do with religion?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Religion is the coat of paint put on top of an occupation that is actually the root cause here.

Both the Zionists and the Jihadists claim to be inspired by their religion, but the actual cause of the decades-long conflict has little to do with religion and much more to do with decades of occupation and oppression.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

It’s a race war if anything. Religion is used to fuel it. But Israel doesn’t care about its gods. It only cares about people within its tribe controlling its country. Eventually Israel will have to choose between being Jewish controlled and being democratic, even. Because demographics are trending against there being a Jewish majority forever. They will ditch democracy. I mean, they already have by deliberately disenfranchising millions of Arabs from it. An apartheid democracy isn’t a democracy, it’s an oligarchy. Anyway, no, it’s not about the Jewish god. If you think Judaism is a religion, straight up, you don’t understand it. The Arabs also cling to their religion because it’s the one thing no one can take away from them. It’s also very effective at controlling people.