this post was submitted on 11 Oct 2023
282 points (95.8% liked)

Technology

34780 readers
234 users here now

This is the official technology community of Lemmy.ml for all news related to creation and use of technology, and to facilitate civil, meaningful discussion around it.


Ask in DM before posting product reviews or ads. All such posts otherwise are subject to removal.


Rules:

1: All Lemmy rules apply

2: Do not post low effort posts

3: NEVER post naziped*gore stuff

4: Always post article URLs or their archived version URLs as sources, NOT screenshots. Help the blind users.

5: personal rants of Big Tech CEOs like Elon Musk are unwelcome (does not include posts about their companies affecting wide range of people)

6: no advertisement posts unless verified as legitimate and non-exploitative/non-consumerist

7: crypto related posts, unless essential, are disallowed

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
all 42 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 112 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Much like GIFs, MP3s will never go away.

Sure there are better alternatives, but widespread adoption over decades now is hard to gloss over.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not being encumbered by patents is a huge advantage for MP3s going forward, and the reality is that MP3 is good enough for vast majority of situations. The improvements newer formats like AAC bring are not worth the trouble of being chained to a proprietary format.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] LaggyKar 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AAC-LC is patent free too nowadays (not HE-AAC, but that's mainly useful for low-bitrate stuff).

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

good to know

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with H264. I still have trouble getting H265 videos to play on all devices, so it's easier to stay with 264.

[–] LaggyKar 7 points 1 year ago

Pretty much everything plays AAC though (unless it's some cheap mp3 player)

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So long as people use high bitrates, I'm fine with that.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is considered a high bitrate? There isn't much reason to go higher than 320 kb/s on an mp3.

[–] intelati 7 points 1 year ago

Anything over 190 is just fine for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure you can go more than 320kb/s on mp3. I have my music collection on my home server in FLAC but I transcode to 320kbps constant bitrate mp3 for my car and phone. I chose 320 because it's the highest that I've seen mp3 converters able to go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good point. I guess there is a reason that is the highest setting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Basically it goes a little like this... I bounce out a song as a WAV, and then convert it to a 320 MP3 using iTunes. iTunes compresses very well (imo), and so if you compare that WAV with that 320, they will sound practically identical. I then take that 320 and Convert it to 128 in iTunes. The sound is STILL practically identical. (Because it is a good 128.) There may be a little rolloff around 8-10k (super high end) but it's more of a "sound change" than a "degradation". This conception that 128's are drastically inferior to 320's mostly comes from 1. people reading bullshit on the internet, & 2. people downloading BAD 128's!!!! Seriously. Not every WAV is equal, not every 320 is equal. I could take something at 92 KBPS and rebounce it as a WAV. does that make it a lossless audio file? Fuck no. Who knows how many times it' been downconverted/upconverted etc. Just because you downloaded a rip on /xtrill and its a 128 and it sounds bad doesn't mean 128's sound bad. Just because the apple I bought was rotten doesn't mean all apples taste awful. Basically if I listen to a song and it sounds good, I will play it. People knock me for playing 128's and I'm just like... If I can't tell the difference, then neither can you. And the bit about playing it on big systems and it sounding like shit is also a load of crap. TL;DR: If it sounds good on good headphones, play it. (That said, anything below 128 and you will notice audio quality deteriorate VERY quickly.)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Sorry, are you converting it, lossily, twice? That's like twice the lossiness! Just convert it once.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

my ears are bleeding

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As someone who grew up with mp3 and is currently replacing it with opus, o7

(IK theres flac, but bruh...storage is expensive and my equipment isn't like state of the art)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I did the same. Faced a problem where mp3 and opus replaygain tags follow different spec (replaygain calculators for some reason use R128_ tags for opus files for some reason) and some players don't support it yet. Apart from that there haven't been issues.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

And MP3s are perfectly adequate for most applications.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The duration of software patents is completely absurd and in a just society would immediately be halved. That said, at any possible point I have totally ditched this ancient technology in favor of the vastly superior Opus.

Edit: just noticed this was published in 2017, which makes much more sense with my understanding of when mp3 was developed.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Halved?" No. There should not be software patents. They are good for nothing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

You can theoretically extend that logic to any patent. However this only works in a world that's not profit-centric.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would totally switch to OPUS as soon as it supports embedding album art.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

~~What's the use case for that? Would mkv solve your need?~~

What you ask for already exists.
https://opus-codec.org/docs/opus-tools/opusenc.html

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well damn! That's great!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Iirc that's an issue with ffmpeg. Opus itself can do that. I also stumbled upon that once.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Maybe apps will finally feel free to bundle LAME instead of forcing you to download it externally!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I downloaded Audacity on a friends Windows PC yesterday, and it allowed me to export MP3 without asking for any other steps!

From Audacity's website:

FAQ:Installing the LAME MP3 Encoder

The software patent on LAME encoding library has expired, so now the LAME library for MP3 export is built-in with Audacity for Windows and Mac. Linux users will still need to download and install the free and recommended LAME third-party encoder to export MP3 files from Audacity.

Linux users should use the following instructions to download and install the free and recommended LAME third-party encoder to export MP3 files with Audacity.

Windows: LAME is now built-in with Audacity for Windows.

Mac: LAME is now built-in with Audacity for Mac.

Linux/Unix: See the LAME installation section on Installing and updating Audacity on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Oh man, I remember my early struggles with EAC as a teen.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

flac is my standard go to anyway. If I need to move music to a more limited storage medium, flac->mp3 is where it's at.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

This is mostly how I operate, too. Keep it in FLAC so I always have something to go back to.

But if I ever need a USB stick to play in the car, I'm just going MP3 and not thinking twice about it. I know every car that plays from USB is going to play MP3 just fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I use M4A but I'm not sure if it matters much.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

MP3 is my go-to when traveling. Especially if I don't have mobile data or Wi-Fi

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Remember, 320 kbps is the only mp3 format you are allowed to use. 256kbps if you really really have too, but dont go below that or I will personally hunt you and lecture you on audio quality until you can only listen to uncompressed audio. Dont make me do it.