this post was submitted on 04 Jul 2023
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I started watching some dota matches, especially PGL, and players tend to pick from a really small group of heroes, like: storm spirit, techies, pugna etc

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There have actually been 104 out of 124 (84%) heroes picked in the Bali Major so far. If you only count those picked 10 times or more it's still 54/124 (44%).

Sure, it's not even close to a fully even representation, but still, it's not terrible. The last larger League of Legends tournament had 79 out of 163 (48%) picked at all, with 42/163 (28%) picked 4 times or more (less games in the tourney).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah that doesn't sound that bad. Maybe I just didn't watch enough to see more heroes picked

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I mean the main ones were in every game, but there's always one or three or so non-meta ones sprinkled in. The human mind sees and focuses on patterns quite easily, while it's harder to see the ones not fitting it :)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

There heroes that are really safe to pick but if you compare with league of legends, dota actually have a big pool on competitive scene. I just think that 7.33 is a bad patch and there is too much overturned heroes and too much bad ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's what is referred to as "the meta." As heroes get buffed, nerfed, changed, etc. the meta evolves. If Hero X and Hero Y are really good at doing something and Y gets a buff, maybe Y starts to get preferred. Now you know what was really bad vs X? Hero Z. Now hero Z's weaknesses aren't so obvious because Hero X just isn't strong enough to stand against all these heroes that are now being picked.

Eventually a couple months goes by and players have figured out the end of that X>Y>Z chain and a meta is born.

Now usually there are a few large tournaments each patch. During these tournaments we already know the strong heroes, but what about hero/team combinations? What about some cheese/pocket strat that a captain has cooked up? Sometimes certain players or teams just elevate a hero to broken status. It just works better than anywhere else. Well now the opponents have to decide "do i ban Y and Z and leave A in? Other team makes A just way too good, so ill leave Y and Z in play. Oh that worked really well, now how do I counter what else is being picked.

Eventually a new patch (more buffs, nerfs, changes) is released and everyone starts from 0 again. Sometimes (rarely) heroes get so overhauled they remove them from competitive play in order to get them somewhat balanced.

It's kind of late so I didn't do a great job explaining

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well it sounds like a good thing, to keep the game fresh, and to jazz things up a little. The only thing I don't like is when I watch tournaments I always see the same few heroes, and no variety of all :(