That's nice of them to walk it back. Definitely not something you'd see Reddit do
this post was submitted on 30 Sep 2023
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Yeah, it was a nice surprise for sure. I'm glad to have the lemmy.world crowd back, plenty of booty for all.
Glad to be back! I miss hearing about piracy news
Reckon they were also losing users cause of this decision.
Definitely. I migrated my account after they took an anti-piracy stance.
yeah I sure love lots of booty
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What's reddit?
A lemmy clone.
A weird one. You create content and its shareholders buy new yachts.
Exploitative and at the same time very user unfriendly. Weird one indeed.
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Dbzer0 is one of the few I have seen making Lemmy better and better.
It's honestly the perfect use case for Lemmy too. It's the kind of thing where decentralization is hugely helpful.
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The amount of people in here claiming there were no takedown requests is a bit frustrating. As if we were blocking those communities for shits and giggles. Sure there was that Bungie troll but around the same time we DID get a takedown request for threads in the piracy community. Threads that didn't even include direct links, it was just a discussion. Whatever you guys think, it was a lot of shit to deal with on top of what we were already dealing with.
We were also considering different hosting options to counter those DDOS attacks back than and that would mean moving the server to another country and thus exposing members of our team to legal issues should shit hit the fan. One of our team members back then was in the legal team for the hosting company we were considering moving to. So he wasn't just making this up, he literally wrote the rules.
In the end we decided not to move to that hosting company. And we took some other measures by creating some tooling to deal with this stuff better. And that takes time.
Undoing the block means more work for us too. Work we do for free on our own time, next to having jobs and a families. And we're definitely not a corporate entity with fancy lawyers.
Hi Antik, as I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, I was very happy to hear that you decided 'unremove' our little community. I appreciate you going to the effort of revisiting the earlier decision and being transparent about the process, and I'm sure that goes for the vast majority of the people here (though obviously not all 🤨).
While individual users were probably more impacted by that decision than we were as a instance (because they couldn't access this community from lemmy.world), I can tell you that our admin team fully understood the situation you were in and there are no hard feelings from our side.
I don't know whether there is a wider appreciation of the fact that managing a lemmy instance is quite labor intensive and technically challenging for the system admins, who are all volunteering their time and expertise. And there's still lots of bugs and problems to identify and deal with.
Hey Unruffled. I know you had your opinion back when we made that unpopular move too ;) But whatever the users here might think, the contact between most instance admins over on the matrix channels is pretty good and helpful. We might not all allign all the time but there is always respect and understanding. And I think you can confirm that everyone just tries to help each other there no matter what the differences.
I contacted db0 soon after we blocked those communities and have always been in good contact with him since. He understood our situation very well. And as you know yourself Lemmy World has been very active and very publicly pushing the fediseer project. Again, we have our differences but we all want Lemmy to succeed.
Appreciate you dude!
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I’m curious what the takedown requests were citing, those communities don’t really host pirated material, they just share links and info.
DMCA takedown requests are kinda "guilty until proven innocent" instead of "innocent until proven guilty."
Not sure if DMCA requests matter to a server hosted in Germany, though.
Also, as they mentioned, their admins were overworked as is and probably just needed time to go through the requests to see that they’re all bullshit.
There are international agreements about copyright law designed specifically that prevent the loophole you're thinking of.
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They do, unfortunately
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There weren't any, it was just a troll account that asked admins at a bunch of different Lemmy instances to block anything related to piracy. Lemmy.world admins took the bait. Even in the original announcement they never mentioned anything about dealing with tons of takedown requests. In other words they were blocking piracy related content preemptively before any takedowns occurred.
It's nice they walked back that decision but I'm still not going to create an account there.
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So they finally realized the person that convinced them to block the piracy subs was an idiot transphobic troll who was unhealthily obsessed with defending bungie, a faceless game corporation that needs no defense?
Shocker.
They state legal reasons, which makes sense. Better check things and be safe. Are there any more details etc. available about what you claim?
From a legal standpoint, I sort of get it. One risk of the fediverse is that data is cached locally from federated servers. That could put server owners in legal jeopardy for hosting illegal content. However, if the server is actively moderated and owners respond responsibly to take down requests, they should be okay - in the US at least, and assuming current protections for service providers remain intact.
I think a good option (if technically feasible) could be to have the choice to de-cache communities or servers that are questionable and make it so that data is transmitted live from the federated server when requested by a client. That would add load to both the local and federated servers though, especially if volume is high.
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I'm really glad to have this community back. I got some good advice for getting tools to download a less financially vampiric version of Adobe Photoshop and premiere.
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Still don't trust them, they recently censored the fosscad community without announcement or warning.
That's why there're are different instances. No one can force you to join lemmy.world just like no one can force them to host content they don't want to host.
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We're back, baby!
Nice, I won't need to switch to other lemmy instance to visit this community anymore.
Actually fully swapped because of that
Great news, that's a whole lot of people having access to this community again!
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