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As we start to see more users join, it's inevitable to see trolls (especially low-effort trolls) making more of an appearance and trying to be controversial and noticed.

Best just to scroll past them. They want to spark unwinnable arguments and rack up negative rep. If something seems absurdly ridiculous or inciteful, just move on. It's not even worth down voting.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Actually, they should be reported. Don't just scroll pass if you see harassment or hate speech.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How exactly do you report them? I tried to report one troll I saw, but couldn’t find the option.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ahh, I see! I was trying to report them from their page when I went to block them, like you do on Mastodon, and the option wasn’t there. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

There's a few things in the works to improve the moderating flow / processes, for now it's just easier to use 'more > report' and hopefully that should be enough for now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is that all it takes to trigger you?

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks for providing a comment to test the report feature with.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure there’s anything to report with the previous comment; yet I don’t disagree with it being a dick thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Way back in the way back we used to call comments like that “flame baiting”. It’s trying to start a fight, nothing more. Forums and BBs I moderated used to technically ban it, but generally the rule has always just been “don’t feed the trolls”. Meaning: don’t comment, don’t downvote, don’t bother reporting. They just want attention, the only thing that hurts them is realizing that this board will ignore them just as completely as their parents already do in real life.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yes. Back then there wasn't any upvoting or downvoting, so the only way you interacted with a troll is either engage them or ignore them...preferably the latter.

Images like this were typical...yet helpful.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Holy crap this is an image I hadn't seen in ages! 😃

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The k-soc terms of service state:

Harassment, hate speech, or any other form of harmful behavior will not be tolerated.

Now, I can't read ernest's mind to determine what he meant by this line exactly, but this kind of mean spirited, bad-faith jab falls under "harmful behaviour" in my book.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

If you want to be neck deep in that bullshit, you're more than welcome to join exploding-heads.com. Can we have ONE space online that isn't infiltrated by assholes?

You don't have to be a dick to others on the Internet. You can make that choice. Just because you CAN post hateful shit anonymously and not have to face real life consequences doesn't mean you HAVE to.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some people literally would prefer to see the world burn. No idea what’s up with that form of psychological gratification from destruction, but fuck them.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

But also, remember not to automatically assume someone with negative reputation is a troll. Given kbin currently doesn't calculate reputation correctly (it counts boosts not upvotes).

I'm putting this as a top level comment, but I mean to be talking here to the people suggesting to report or block, or moderators looking at this and thinking of taking action against trolls.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I’m not sure why anyone cares about karma or points or whatever they are called over here. I don’t ever look at that for other profiles, and only noticed that it even existed when I finally logged into my account on a computer rather than a mobile.

I think to tag on to what you said…I think it’s fair to say that a troll can only be labeled as a troll based on the content and responses they create.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doesn't matter. For one person like you there are 20 other who will just spam/downvote.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I’ve already seen one troll who’s going hog wild. What’s annoying is, i blocked them, but still got a notification about them when they replied to one of my posts (I couldn’t see the reply on the post itself, but could see it in my notifications). So just be aware that blocking someone doesn’t mean they’re gone.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There's a few tickets floating around regarding the user flow for how blocking users actually works. This is probably one of those untested cases where you've blocked someone but you can see see them when they do X.

The blocking workflow is definitely something that needs some improvements, but I think right now everyone is focused on stability (especially with the influx of new people everyone's expecting)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I get no reply notifications, so there's that.

It's clear that kbin still has a lot of bugs. Guy running it is a bit overwhelmed right now. Hopefully they're able to fix issues like this sooner rather than later.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hope the moderation gets more aggressive soon, or this place is fuuuucked. There's already like three the_donald magazines.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Opposing political opinions are not trolls. Let's not be like Reddit where "opposite opinion" = bad.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (5 children)

No, but fascists are troll (and worse. Much worse). And yes, trump and his cult are fascists

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (9 children)

No, but someone rocking up to a news magazine just to post “Trump won and everyone knows it” with no news article is trolling. Some of these folks are trolls trying to piss people off.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The_Donald was not about political opinions. It was a hate farm that made neofascists out of people who came for the lulz. By all means let's have actual conservatives discuss politics as a counterpoint to more liberal views, but smack the fascists down - because it's the only way to truly have a tolerant society and civil discourse: Intolerance as politics must not be tolerated. If that basic rule is ignored, everything else fails.

See the paradox of intolerance.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I really like this interpretation of the Paradox of Intolerance:

The Paradox of Tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance, not as a moral standard, but as a social contract.
If someone does not abide by the contract, then they are not covered by it.
In other words: The intolerant are not abiding by the terms of the social contract of mutual tolerance. Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

Link to source.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That "paradox" is bunk and is only good for justifying censorship.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it's good for getting rid of antisocial shit heads who feel like they're entitled to an audience for their toxic or abusive ideas and beliefs.

Because that's exactly what it speaks to.

Now, if you want to argue with Karl, might I recommend getting a PhD in philosophy and starting from there, rather than whining on the internet?

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ah yes, because all opinions are equal and NAMBLA and Nazis need to be given equal weight for their "opposite opinions".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's not what they said at all.

What they said is that just because you don't agree with the opposite opinion doesn't make the person saying that opinion a troll. They may be a hateful motherfucker, but a hateful motherfucker who is trying to talk in good faith.

They aren't arguing some enlightened centrist "everyones opinions are equal" bullshit. They're just arguing that opposite opinion does not equal automatic troll.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Don't platform fascists. Don't play apologetics for platforming fascists. Don't tolerate people who platform fascists.

Stop treating fascism as a mere difference of opinion.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I wish I could upvote you twice.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

" Hey you want the humane and equal treatment of all peoples, and I have an opposite opinion that some people should be subservient or eliminated. Woah woah why are you banning me."

It's a painfully American sentiment that was prominent in the civil war. "Hey we just disagree on slavery..."

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@drumdonuttea Is it possible to block individual users?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Users can absolutely be blocked, and at least on kbin you can also block instances and magazines as a whole as well

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You can block them on kbin, but just be aware that if they reply to you or your post, you’ll still get a notification of it. You won’t be able to see their comment on the page it was posted to you, but it will be sitting in your notifications until you clear all them, since you can’t get rid of individual ones.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And they can also still see your comments after you blocked them, at least in my experience. Blocking people is not too useful right now because of that IMO.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

This is why I've generally been trying my best not to engage with the obvious trolls and bigots at all (not even downvote) but instead just block and move on. They don't become aware of me, and I no longer see them. Not perfect yet (the block going both ways would go a big way towards that), but it works ok for now.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Hover over/go to profile, and click the 🚫.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I have zero tolerance for trolls, just block 'em and move on. Life's too short!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I wonder if people are going to abuse downvotes and reports. The downvote is not a disagreement button, and reporting just because you find a comment distasteful is not what it should be for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

That'd require you to not be a hypocrite though. If not for disagreeing, then for what reason did you downvote my comment?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The down vote button is whatever we want it to be.

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