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[–] [email protected] 171 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The key here is to have a conservative government for 16 years in a row to make absolutely sure anything innovative is made as hard as possible to achieve.

Germany was governed for the last 16 years by people that desperately want to live in 1996 because that is when their back didn't hurt and "everything was great" (?)

[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And from 2025 we will have another 16 years with the conservatives if we are very lucky not to have the far right take over

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago

Don't forget the other 16 years under Kohl from 1982 to 1998. Basically we have been CDU governed for more than 3/4 of the last 40 years. And because people are upset that some changes are necessary now they are going to vote CDU again (or worse).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That is not what the article says at all though. It solely blames the SPD and current government. It‘s just good old German bashing without much substance.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Actually, there's this:

These outside shocks have exposed cracks in Germany’s foundation that were ignored during years of success, including lagging use of digital technology in government and business and a lengthy process to get badly needed renewable energy projects approved.

Other dawning realizations: The money that the government readily had on hand came in part because of delays in investing in roads, the rail network and high-speed internet in rural areas. A 2011 decision to shut down Germany’s remaining nuclear power plants has been questioned amid worries about electricity prices and shortages. Companies face a severe shortage of skilled labor, with job openings hitting a record of just under 2 million.

For some reason, they don't mention the CxU though. I am also annoyed that they don't mention the debt-stop mechanism which CxU added to the constitution and which FDP is now leveraging to make shitty economic decisions.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

They don‘t because they don‘t want you to think about the failures of the conservatives. They even frame problems that occured in the Merkel era as problems the SPD introduced as if 16 years wasn‘t more than enough time to fix those. Of course they do not apply the same logic to current problems but instead put the blame on germany as a whole. And don‘t get me started on their far fetched disgnoses of said problems. It‘s a shit article to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A 2011 decision to shut down Germany’s remaining nuclear power plants has been questioned amid worries about electricity prices and shortages.

This is just a populist talking point. The nuclear power plants were at or very close to the end of their design lifespan, only covered a small single digit percentage of power usage and produced the most expensive electricity among all the power generation in the country.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To this day, I don't understand why digitalization of government operations is a political topic to the degree it is in Germany. I mean, I would expect it to be an internal process, something the bureaucracy would handle. But instead, it's a significant campaign issue, something that German politicians talk about and have political programs designed around.

It wasn't a political topic like this in the US. I haven't seen British media doing it. Maybe some other countries have digitalization as a political issue and just don't mention it in English-language media, so I'm unaware of it there, and it's just shown up in English-language German media.

And while I get wanting to be a tech leader in this area or that, I'm skeptical that digitalization of government processes is a major driver of that. Yet it seems to get lugged up every time someone is talking about high tech industry in Germany.

I'll believe that there are savings to be had, and those might benefit German industry, in the broad sense that reducing government costs is helpful. But I don't think that digitalizing government is a huge enabler for German domestic high-tech industry.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Aren't we all glad the CDU killed our solar and wind industries to protect the interests of the fossil fuel ones?

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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Basicly 16 years of stoping all green projects and then being hit by a fossil fuel crisis. The fact of the matter is that Germany had the lowest industrial electricity prices for decades, by moving the cost to households, which got some of the highest prices in Europe due to that. Gas was cheap and nearly not taxed at all. All of that in a system with clear caps on emissions and well something has to give.

Even worse a massive unwillingness to pay for infrastructure using debt. Germany is in good shape financially and it would be relativly easy to just pay for a lot of infrastrucuture. That is partly happening, but obviously there are also labour, material and time problems making this take years to finish.

Then there is a massive problem with consumption. Wages have not kept up with inflation, while there are worker shortages. Welcome to a perfectly working labour market. Anyway that obviously means less consumption in Germany, which hurts the economy.

However there is no reason that some good governance could not solve it and it is a fossil fuel crisis, which destroys industries based on processes we do not want to use due to climate change. It could be an extremly healthy crisis if managed well.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Wages have not kept up with inflation, while there are worker shortages. Welcome to a perfectly working labour market.

Not to mention the rising right wing anti-immigration rhetoric which doesn't make it easier to find workers elsewhere.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Every country will struggle in the near future. Some sooner, some later. To me it seams like we have reached the limits of what we can have. What we have is very badly distributed but it really comes down to how many things, how many computers, shoes, containerships, gold watches, private jets, truckloads of harvested corn, clothes and everything else can there be. We could redistribute and we could recycle but we're not doing both in any meaningful amount.

Remember, this metric of "worst performing county" takes only the economy into account and with limited resources there is no endless growth.

Btw. This doesn't mean we can't be happy. We're not the economy and we're not the stuff we own.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We’re not the economy and we’re not the stuff we own.

This realization is still extremely far out for a huge percentage of the German populace unfortunately.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

I'd say it's more the whole western world as a whole, not just Germany.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes, that's true. After all, Germany is still more or less a welfare state with statutory health insurance and so on. To further undermine this in favor of economic competitiveness does not seem desirable to me, for example in view of the situation in America.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

As a German who has been living and working overseas (mainly Australia) for over 5 years, coming back to Germany to visit is such a huge culture shock now. It's so much less developed compared to 20 or 30 years ago (or at the very least it stagnated), everything is slow and the economy depressing.

Even things that are meant to be easily done online like tax returns are a huge pain. You need to verify yourself by scanning your ID or getting a physical letter with a code sent to you. It's ridiculous. In Australia you simply log in into your myGov account and handle everything from visa applications, tax returns, health records, welfare payments, child support etc all on one website. It's super quick and easy.

And unlike Germany, government lingo is easy to understand and accessible. I feel like Germany is purposely trying to keep things as complex as possible to the point where many people have to hire an accountant for tax purposes

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In Australia you simply log in into your myGov account and handle everything from visa applications, tax returns, health records, welfare payments, child support etc all on one website. It’s super quick and easy.

This sounds like a security and privacy nightmare. As much as german bureaucracy is over the top in many situations but having to wait one time for a verification-letter for your ELSTER-account is not among the problems.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

myGov has mandatory 2FA for all accounts. I'd be more worried about the hundreds of decades old systems that handle this data every day than a modern, convenient front-end for viewing and filing stuff

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not though because it's all 2FA.

And it's not like you're forced to use it either, if you prefer to opt out you can still walk into a Govt service centre and be served in person without needing an appointment. Just walk in

Und nebenbei: Tausendmal besser als die ganzen Horrorgeschichten von Immigranten die monatelang auf einen Termin beim Einwohnermeldeamt warten weil alles zigmal länger dauert 🫢 Hier ginge das einfach online und während man auf das Visum wartet hat man ohnehin eine vorübergehende Aufenthaltsgenehmigung mit Arbeitsrecht usw. Deutschland ist dahingehend einfach ein Albtraum und überhaupt nicht der gegenwärtigen Situation angewachsen. Also laber mir nix. Lächerlich einfach

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

i remember seeing videos of french firefighters getting attacked by police during protests. The image was completely surreal and very eye opening as to how dysfunctional french government is.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Christian Kullmann, CEO of major German chemical company Evonik Industries AG.

Kullmann is for it: “It was mistaken political decisions that primarily developed and influenced these high energy costs. And it can’t now be that German industry, German workers should be stuck with the bill.”

Well, I mean, if you want the German government to cover the cost, they don't magic money up out of the air. They get it via taxation of industry and workers.

If what you're saying is "I am running a company in an energy-intensive industry and I want subsidies paid for by non-energy-intensive industry," okay, but you're still pulling it from industry and workers.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Those companies had decades to transition their production processes to be more efficient and most of them actively lobbied against such policies that would enforce it onto them. 🎻

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

magic money up out of the air

I am not an economist by any stretch but I've understood this much: The ECB literally can create money out of thin air. The issue is just that money in and of itself is meaningless. The interesting bit is the ratio of money in circulation vs. goods/services available for purchase.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even expanding the money supply doesn't "magic money up out of the air" in the sense to which I'm referring.

If the ECB expands the money supply, it generates inflation. That effectively taxes everyone holding euros or euro-linked assets and transfers the real wealth associated with that to whoever winds up with the new money being created.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Germany risks “deindustrialization” as high energy costs and government inaction on other chronic problems threaten to send new factories and high-paying jobs elsewhere, said Christian Kullmann, CEO of major German chemical company Evonik Industries AG.

From his 21st-floor office in the west German town of Essen, Kullmann points out the symbols of earlier success across the historic Ruhr Valley industrial region: smokestacks from metal plants, giant heaps of waste from now-shuttered coal mines, a massive BP oil refinery and Evonik’s sprawling chemical production facility.

After Russia cut off most of its gas to the European Union, spurring an energy crisis in the 27-nation bloc that had sourced 40% of the fuel from Moscow, the German government asked Evonik to keep its 1960s coal-fired power plant running a few months longer.

These outside shocks have exposed cracks in Germany’s foundation that were ignored during years of success, including lagging use of digital technology in government and business and a lengthy process to get badly needed renewable energy projects approved.

A 10 billion-euro ($10.68 billion) electrical line bringing wind power from the breezier north to industry in the south has faced costly delays from political resistance to unsightly above-ground towers.

Germany grew complacent during a “golden decade” of economic growth in 2010-2020 based on reforms under Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder in 2003-2005 that lowered labor costs and increased competitiveness, says Holger Schmieding, chief economist at Berenberg bank.


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