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Showerthoughts

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A "Showerthought" is a simple term used to describe the thoughts that pop into your head while you're doing everyday things like taking a shower, driving, or just daydreaming. A showerthought should offer a unique perspective on an ordinary part of life.

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It's not the kids, not the lurkers, not the mods... y'all just nice people. Lemmy's got a good vibe going... or at least enough windows that we can close if the vibe gets shit.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Just deleted my reddit account. This is now my new scrolling home... lol

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Same. Goodness I love this. It's so peaceful.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago
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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it's just survivorship bias, kinda like mastodon. The people inclined to come here are probably anti-corporate, and sick of current social media's bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (9 children)

I think the barrier to entry also helps a bit. The folks willing to put up with the rough edges that Lemmy has are also likely willing to participate with the intent of making Lemmy a success rather than just "hangers on" as it were. With a 1600% growth in "active" user population, there are definitely a ton of lurkers, yet. Once it becomes more approachable, we'll see if the community feeling that Lemmy has begins to tarnish and fade as the volume of interaction and content rises.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I was thinking the same, especially after seeing several posts "demanding" Lemmy to change this and change that.

I mean, that's not to say there's no room for improvements, but if the first thing some people do when going to a new platform is wanting changes to meet their personal way of doing things, instead to try and adapt first to how the platform works and learn from it, in my opinion it means those people are not really interested in being here and make lemmy succeed, they're just following the "flavor of the month" and won't last long here anyway.

I think the fediverse being not so intuitive might be a very good thing actually, it can act as a sort of filter so it doesn't succumb to the masses ruining everything, hopefully.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In Italy we call it "mountain path behavior": just like in our mountain paths, as long as it is few people you meet you behave cordially and in a friendly manner, but it changes when the number of people goes up.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (4 children)

prob cuz everyone who's still on reddit has the shit vibe

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I asked the people there some stuff and I got downvoted for everything I said and then I said something and they said unironically: whats wrong with being selfish? That made me a bit angry

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[–] violetgreendev 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I know what you mean, it feels like we're all on an adventure together to discover what the new front page of the internet will be!

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It reminds me of internet forums of the days of yore that are long gone. People answering each other's questions. No need for moderators to have rules like, "don't call each other names" blah blah blah. It's kind of funny, but you know, the Internet had a dark age when everyone was nicer to each other. Lemmy brings that kind of social interaction back to the fore. In another stream, someone disagreed with me and did it nicely and I learned something. Give me more of THIS. And give me less of people replying with "this"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thank god I found Lemmy, because if I didn’t it probably would have only been a matter of hours before I caved and reinstalled Reddit on my phone at work.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ahhhhhh. This feels better. shakes all the reddit off

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (7 children)

we will be forever free of the existential burden of being redditors

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I mean the lack of ads DOES help though.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lemmy reminds me of how Reddit felt between 2008 ~ 2013ish.

There seems to be a disproportionate number of longtime Reddit users defecting to Lemmy and I think that the self-selecting nature of Lemmites(?) is why there are such great vibes here.

Reddit is dead. Long live Lemmy!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I’m hoping it takes off. It’s a confusing start but seems alright once you have a grasp.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (7 children)

The grasp I’m trying to get ahold of is where to locate where everyone jumped ship to? Is there a master list or do you just gotta hunt and hope for the best?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It helps that it's a fairly small community, which gives it an old school internet forum vibe. Hopefully it retains this vibe as the site continues to grow.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I've been on the internet long enough to say it won't. It will last a long time depending on the design of the system that creates the communities (mods, upvotes/downvotes, rules, algorithms, etc), but even that is limited because eventually every community reaches the size it needs to to encourage toxicity, echo chambers, circlejerks, and attracting even more toxic people from outside the communities.

It took reddit many years to start reaching that point though, I hope it takes these federated sites longer. And hopefully due to their design, they can keep most of the toxic people isolated.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lemmy kinda sucks for me right now. Laggy, buggy, awkward.... I love it. Looking forward to being part of its growth and development.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (3 children)

If people complain about the stability they were clearly not around for the early days of Reddit. It was flakey as hell.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Reddit was down all the time during the digg migration

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I can't speak for everyone. I've been lurking for the past couple weeks and just signed up yesterday. The prevailing attitude I've noticed is that people realize just how much of a toxic hog lagoon reddit has become, and are glad to participate in a community that isn't. It's nice to be somewhere that isn't full of bots and doesn't coddle nazis.

I also think it helps that most of the onboarding literature is frontloaded with "this is how federation works" instead of jumping right in to "here's how you sign up and use lemmy." Effectively scares off the reading-averse.

If considering that to be a plus makes me an elitist, I'm ok with that.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.

On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lemmy.world is a bit slow for me RN but given the immense growth on Lemmy, it's to be expected. I'm still on Reddit but hopefully I get to see more niche content here! I read /r/CredibleDefense and /r/CombatFootage, would be great if they were on Lemmy too.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Yeah, votes are slow for me now (5 seconds until a vote "registers" in the UI), but somehow loading entire posts with their comment chains is fast.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Reddit is too popular and has too much group think, too many of the same types of comments that will get a lot karma, and too many comments that will just be ignored.

NEW is a garbage dump or a pile of duplicates. So why comment on a new post? It will never go anywhere. HOT is already full of comments, so your comment will just be lost.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Still getting used to all the different servers/instances but it’s promising

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (10 children)

The content is nice. The performance, not so much.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah it’s got some growing pains. Anything worth it’s salt will have growing pains.

Even Reddit did back in the day. Ya know back when Aaron Schwartz was running the show.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Personally, and I am bias, I think everyone here is nice and chill because everyone who actually dropped Reddit are principled enough to not just say they hate a change and then do nothing about it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For some reason, this place is just giving me late 2000s to early 2010s vibes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's one of the things I've been most excited about so far - it sorta feels like I'm back on an old ~2005 forum again, it's weirdly nostalgic and nice!

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Definitely a better vibe than reddit, and I really hope it stays this way! The community seems to be a lot more willing to have discussions, and comments don't just devolve into the same lame jokes that get repeated over and over.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It feels fresh.. idk how to describe it

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I think it’s partly a selection effect of who bothered to come here. On the positive end, scrolling All is more likely to show things relevant to me I wouldn’t have found.

On the negative end there are few comments to interact wjth

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One time, when runescape did a supermassive bot ban, people began complaining that once crowded areas of the game felt eerily empty now that only real people were there.

Not to say reddit is all bots, but my experience with Lemmy so far has been that it’s less crowded but the people here feel very sincere. Not a terrible thing. Still have more scrolling and reading to do than I have time to do it, and the quality seems even better.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

supermassive bot ban

The Muse cover that no-one expected

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Not for any particular reason, but for a variety of reasons that work together to make it even better. I have listed just a few of them. Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.

  • No king of the hill.
  • No hidden corporate interests.
  • No karma system.
  • Rejection of toxicity. The flow of conversation is civil and has a good vibe.
  • The Federation functions as an engine of accountability.
  • A bunch of people who actively contribute to making this a good place.
  • A vocal community that actually determines what content is important.
  • The initial difficulty to make sense of it all (call it a "barrier to entry" if you will) acts as a natural deterrent to those who are less engaged.
  • Lurkers who sign up quickly feel comfortable posting.
  • The ability to sign up for a particular instance and leave if for some reason you find it's going in a direction you do not agree with. Lemmy's decentralized nature saves the day.
  • The influx of refugees includes experienced people with a lot of knowledge to make this an even better place.
  • The prospect of a quick release of reputable third-party apps. Since these developers bring solid knowledge from previous developments, their new Lemmy apps will immediately translate into a smoother user experience.

I am looking forward to great days ahead.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

I am really enjoying my time here

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Amen! It's a little slow but I'm perfectly fine with that! Everyone here is vibing for sure!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Platforms are fun in the beginning because everybody has a voice. This nurtures a lot of creativity and energy. However, as ad revenue starts to flow, advertisers demand that the platform banish fringe opinions and undesirable voices (the magic keyword is brand safety). As a result moderation ramps up, and kills the creativity and energy that made it fun and interesting.

This is why Lemmy works (for now).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

So we got 10 years for the cycle to repeat if lucky?

I'm fine with that lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Might even have an elder Scrolls by then

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Banning fascists is always a good thing however and fringe elements that promote fascists. You cannot tolerate the intolerable.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's that new colony optimism

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