this post was submitted on 30 May 2025

98 points (88.3% liked)

MeanwhileOnGrad

1765 readers

330 users here now

"Oh, this is calamity! Calamity! Oh no, he's on the floor!"

Welcome to MoG!

Meanwhile On Grad

Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!

What is a Tankie?

Alternatively, a detailed blog post about Tankies.

(caution of biased source)

Basic Rules:

Sh.itjust.works Instance rules apply! If you are from other instances, please be mindful of the rules. — Basically, don't be a dick.

Hate-Speech — You should be familiar with this one already; practically all instances have the same rules on hate speech.

Apologia — (Using the Modern terminology for Apologia) No Defending, Denying, Justifying, Bolstering, or Differentiating authoritarian acts or endeavours, whether be a Pro-CCP viewpoint, Stalinism, Islamic Terrorism or any variation of Tankie Ideology.

Revisionism — No downplaying or denying atrocities past and present. Calling Tankies shills, foreign/federal agents, or bots also falls under this rule. Extremists exist. They are real. Do not call them shills or fake users as it handwaves their extremism.

Tankies can explain their views but may be criticised or attacked for them. Any slight infraction on the rules above will immediately earn a warning and possibly a ban.

Off-topic Discussion — Do not discuss unrelated topics to the point of derailing the thread. Stay focused on the direct content of the post as opposed to arguing.

You'll be warned if you're violating the instance and community rules. Continuing poor behaviour after being warned will result in a ban or removal of your comments. Bans typically only last 24 hours, but each subsequent infraction will double the amount. Depending on the content, the ban time may be increased. You may request an unban at any time.

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

[Transphobia Warning] Least Transphobic Tankie (lemm.ee)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

26 comments fedilink hide all child comments

The tankie try-not-to-be-a-raging-class-reductionist-queerphobe challenge: impossible.

I always got the sense when talking to class reductionist tankies that they were simply thinly veiling their bigotry and the "no war but class war" was just a way they could try to appeal to others while redirecting away from their own abhorrent beliefs. Just another example that tankies aren't really that different from MAGAts.

They want to bring together the working class of the left and the right but only on the social terms of the right since they know they can't challenge their bigotry and still win their votes. So instead they want us to shut up about our struggle for rights and only mention what they deem the "correct" struggle.

top 26 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's like, most trans people are working class. In fact, unless membership in a group is defined by wealth, most members of said group are working class.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Yup, you can't reference class war if you're not including ALL MEMBERS OF THE CLASS.

Trans folk, especially femme, are historically disenfranchised from earming potential. Programmer socks is a bit of a meme but if you look at the meager data we have, trans femme earn less than cis women in STEM fields.

I say we have meager data because as a percentage of the population, at 1% and that's over double most estimates. Also being an out group and such a tiny percentage of the population, there is no capitalist incentive to create a study.

All that being said, there's 1 in 100 people that want to be a little different. We have plenty of space in society for these people. I absolutely have space for them at the SRA meets, and skill shares, and zine drops, and demonstrations. I have space for them in my life, in my heart and in my thoughts.

Anti-trans rhetoric is hate speech. It has no place in leftist politics.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The great trans conspiracy. They really gobbled the scapegoat tactics used by the far right.

Honestly it's just sad.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Venn diagram of MAGA and tankies is a circle

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

I wouldn't say its an exact circle, but it's extremely close

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

they are far closer to the far right then libertarian socialism. And it’s always been this way.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago

The regimes they simp for/are employed by have historically been pretty vicious to LGBT, so no real surprise.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

ye boy, easy to think sexual/race/ethnicity/religious identity issues are just a distraction when you are not the target of any of the social stigma, are not affected by the raging hatred, are not also under the thumb of yet another systemic ill, and not a target of any of the violence this brings forth. Are these issues a part of class warfare? At the end of the day, yes. Does that mean they aren't real, or even a less immediate concern for the people affected by this specific aspect of class warfare? Of course not.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There are trans people on the internet saying we should resist universal health care because some countries have shown hesitation when it comes to covering youth transitioning.

I'm here for these people but this proposal is stupid beyond belief. Unfortunately the identity-obsessed sometimes fight for this kind of absolute non-starter of an issue and it is in fact actively harming the greater good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

What portion of the population do the people making these claims account for?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Do you have any articles or posts about this? I'm coming up empty in my search.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No, the raging against lgbtq+ is a distraction. The people asking to be recognized, be able to marry or legally change their name and gender are usually sincere. Since their demands have no bearing whatsoever on others the general answer to these demands should have been an immediate approval. Getting people worked up so they oppose "the trans agenda" and become violent against the trans, is a distraction, and for the people who push this, the fact that real people get hurt for the fake outrage is just icing on the cake.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I mean, to a point. Genuine bigotry has existed forever, and still exists today. If you think the only reason people in power go after minorities is some sort of tactical decision, you give them way too much credit. Most of these people hate people who differ from them in one way, or another, and want to force their world view on everyone. That is where the thought behind their movements ends. But, this is rarely how I see it framed from the "only class war" people. The vast majority of the time I see this argument brought up, it is people telling people supporting minority groups that this is fake and they are are stupid.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trans people make a GREAT enemy.

There's not a lot of them, so the average asshole probably doesn't know any, which makes it easy to dehumanize them.

They are inherently trying to "look different", which means they're hiding amongst all the good and honest people. Your neighbor could be a trans person!

Most of them are young, and as a result of shitty policies, have mental health problems. So they're not individually scary. It's always nice to have a weak enemy.

But they're all in it together, so they must be destroyed for being too strong!

Feel free to replace "trans person" with the enemy du jour. Jews, communists, gay people, pick your flavour of hate.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also making rules against trans women is apparently a great excuse to force women out of their supposed safe spaces and their pants.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Chasers love TERFs. No better way to keep transfemme marginalized and vulnerable.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I generally laugh at horshoe theory but this mf out here trying to singlehandedly prove it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately in my experience this is not an isolated case. It's fairly common amongst people who consider themselves "leftist". Most are just better at masking it and aren't so outright blatant about it. Horseshoe theory keeps being proven again and again.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My point is that left-right is way too simplistic and the left-right auth-lib chart is a bit more descriptive. Republicans and tankies heavily overlap in terms of authoritarianism (which is why they attack that word so much) which makes them ideologically closer to each other than to lib-left. They still have some lefty ideals which is why I say it's not a horseshoe.

However, if people are somehow going so far left that they somehow arrive at transphobia, maybe there's something to it after all.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure. None of the models are perfect (even the 2d chart might be too simplistic: maybe a it's a 3-dimensional saddle), but if reduced to a particular dimension (like authoritarianism as you mention, or even other aspects like their disdain for the rights of minorities) the horseshoe is blindingly obvious.

And even if it's a "not-all-leftists" thing, I think the general response of the non-problematic leftists is to deny this branch of their movement even exists and instead flippantly dismiss the voices of concerned minorities by saying "class reductionists aren't real and it's all in your head" and often followed up with (after being shown evidence) "even if they are real, there will be no issues after we solve the class problem, so shut your mouth class traitor", which is wishful thinking at best and has no basis in any historical evidence.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yeah I banned them from [email protected] when I saw them complaining about the trans agenda being in the room with them right now or some shit.

Fucking chuds should go back to being 182 cm under.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

This motherfucker was so close to getting it and then stumbled right at the end.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Blocking users doesn't work too well when someone just goes and screenshots their transphobia and reposts it. Fuck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

My bad. I'll add a warning to the post title.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why are they on Lemmy.cafe in the first place when that instance severs their umbilical cord to the tankie triad.