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[–] [email protected] 174 points 1 year ago (3 children)

AWS and Azure are services, not libraries; Elasticsearch is mostly open source; and DynamoDB, well, how many people use it again?

[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AWS and Azure are services

A lot of people seem really confused by this, based on the number of downvotes.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Amazon Web Services

I don't think people know what AWS means, it's literally in the name.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They also keep thinking I'm talking about the services they provide, and not, you know the actual fucking servers those services run on. Surprise, the servers themselves also need an operating system and the "server" you create is a Virtual Machine that lives on their actual, physical server and its OS.

Every day I learn more about how people don't actually understand how the internet works.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Elasticsearch is also more rare then people realize.

[–] thesmokingman 5 points 1 year ago

AWS is closed source in some areas because they have not released the software they use to manage their platform. In other areas they have released the source code. It’s actually a pain in the ass that tools like LocalStack have evolved to fix.

[–] SleveMcDichael 140 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Am I missing something or do two cloud computing services, two database systems, and a search engine have nothing to do with a game engine? Cuz this looks like a false equivalency whataboutism two-for-one combo to me.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a random list for sure, but vendor lock-in can also be a problem for companies hosting their stuff in the cloud in a similar manner to what's happening with unity.

[–] SleveMcDichael 16 points 1 year ago

I suppose that's true, but then the question becomes: how many people proselytizing Godot/OSS use these services personally vs in a corporate environment where they may not have a choice? Because I'm not sure the supposed hypocrisy the meme is "joking" about actually exists.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

Fallacious arguments? In the comments of my content aggregation website? I don't believe it for a second.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This meme is stupid. FOSS versions of all that crap also exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Out of that list, I like MongoDB. I just did bits in SQL before I started using it for the little python tools I've made for stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Services aren't source code lol

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago

OP...buddy...you okay? Did you hit your head or something?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago

Yes? What does that have to do with unity or godot?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

Oh no the internet runs on computers that use "Closed Source Software" to manage the packets that flow through them! This means that if I have a website that is open source, I'm actually a hypocrite? Actually I'm not sure what the point of this comic is.

[–] AttackPanda 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did Mongodb change something? I’ve been using the community edition for a good long time.

[–] thesmokingman 41 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Their license, the SSPL, is actually pretty fucking far from open. That being said for anyone not a platform provider it’s basically open source so you can consider it as such. You just have to deal with SSPL callouts when you do compliance reviews.

Edit: the meme says “closed source” which is patently false for Mongo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Edit: the meme says “closed source” which is patently false for Mongo

~~No, MongoDB is closed source, proprietary software. You might be confusing open source with source available.~~

Edit: Actually I am wrong sorry. Closed source is not the opposite of open source. I didn't read your comment exactly enough. MongoDB is not open source, it's not free software, it is source available and thus not closed source. The things below are still true but don't contradict what you said.

The SSPL is not a free software license and it is not an open source license. The OSI said so:

https://blog.opensource.org/the-sspl-is-not-an-open-source-license/

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

It used to be AGPL, now it's SSPL.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's why you don't make your systems dependent on any of those tools. If Mongo goes crazy, you add an implementation to another document database, test to see if performance is good enough, and start to migrate to another database.

There's no problem in using proprietary shit. The problem is marrying stuff you can't rely on, building your house on land you don't own.

That's also one of the reasons why it isn't good to use very unique features from any service, because once you start relying on it, you get locked, AWS may have a billion services, i would normally only use those that other providers also have.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Yup, wrappers for everything you didn't build yourself. That way when you inevitably have to switch vendors, you can simply write a new wrapper using the same interface, minimal changes necessary

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Opensearch exists and is a fork of the last open source version of elasticsearch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

If AWS was open source, you wouldn't be protected from a similar incident. You're primarily using them for servers and infrastructure.

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