Ukraine and European leaders agreed on Saturday to an unconditional 30-day ceasefire from 12 May with the backing of US president Donald Trump, threatening president Vladimir Putin with new “massive” sanctions if he failed to comply.

The announcement was made by the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Poland and Ukraine after a meeting in Kyiv, during which they held a phone call with Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's pretty simple to end the war. Russia needs to get the fuck out and go home and stay there until the end of eternity or else Ukraine can continue to destroy your pathetic country. Or whatever Ukraine wants. I'm not in country under constant attacks.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In the same cohort of simplicity Russia wouldn't have started the war in the first place, and Putin with his relatives wouldn't be anywhere near power.

Ukraine is doing pretty well, I've read it has like 6 FPVs against one (really combat-deployed, not total amount of involved) Russian combatant. Russia has learned the new approaches too, but its hierarchical structure is slowing it down, if Russian military development were as fast as Russian civilian development (Ozon, Wildberries, all those delivery services and aggregators), then Ukraine would have lost already, but all the thieves and acquaintances just can't allow it. While in Ukraine, despite still atrocious levels of corruption, such development does happen.

I think that's why Putin is basically trying to surrender without losing whatever status he imagined for himself. Because right now the militaries are similar, but long-term Ukraine is going to become stronger faster.

TBH I've read some fantastic things. Not sure these achievements were worth losing so many people first, but Ukraine has at least came there, while Russian regime prefers surrender to change.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

Russian civilian development (Ozon, Wildberries, all those delivery services and aggregators)

Ugh, about that. Russians had these automated post cells appearing recently (where you come up with your phone and with few taps in an app a little door opens, so you can pick up your package) and some lady posted on socials "see, that's progress, can you see such technologies in Ukraine?".

That post went viral in Ukraine, because we've had these for almost a decade now.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now do the same to Netanjahu!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 15 hours ago

Palestine is the place getting wiped but I really think it should be the other way around

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Still no air raids on Russian positions on Ukrainian land by so-called allies.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago

That's not really necessary anymore, it seems. No need to recapture what will be surrendered in a peace treaty.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Nottheonion?

[+] [email protected] -25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

He's going to say no. It's clear that neither side intends to compromise.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

What's with this obsession with the idea that Ukraine needs to compromise anything here? Why the hell are they supposed to give anything to their attackers to get them to stop attacking? This is the most batshit insane take.

ETA: if that isn't what you're suggesting then sorry for jumping on that, just seeing more than enough people putting blame on Ukraine for not compromising here and it's maddening

[–] [email protected] -2 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

When did I say that Ukraine should compromise?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

yes, "neither side" implies Russia and Ukraine

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

Edited my comment, I read more into your comment than what you said

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

If your neighbour came into your house and took over the living room and front foyer how would there even be a compromise?

I don't see any way that Ukraine could allow an aggressor to just take a part of Its land, displace a large chunk of the population, and then say its okay you can have what you took by force so far.

You are correct Putin is going to say No to giving back any portion of land he took by force.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That is how it worked in the past, a kingdom attacked another, battles were fought, and new borders were drawn.

At the end it is a matter of how much the belligerents can each take.

Sooner or later negotiations will start, a new border will be drawn, and tensions will go down.

In an ideal world, Russia would be forced to give back all of the land they captured since 2014, all of the Ukranian people they kidnapped, and pay reparations to Ukraine.

But my expectations is that in reality Ukraine will be forced to give up Chrimea in exchange for Russia to give back the land they captured since 2022, there will be a discussion about war reparations, Russia will argue that they already paid reparations based on how European nations took frozen Russian assets and gave to Ukraine.

There will be some relatively small compensation paid out to Ukraine.

I don't want Ukraine to have to give up on Chrimea, but realistically I don't see how they would have the strength to retake it as the situation is now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

So you're basically saying, this is how it worked in the past, so we shouldn't put the effort into striving for a better future?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, they're saying that's how things usually worked in the past, and therefore we shouldn't be very surprised if we end up with a similar outcome today.

They even specifically state that they don't like the idea of an outcome where Ukraine gives up land.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Exactly

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Sorry about that, reading comprehension isn't my strong point lately it seems. Thanks you two (@[email protected])

[–] [email protected] -3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I understand this, hence my observation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

All good, I upvoted your comment and was not disagreeing with you. Not sure why you got down voted. Your comment is valid, I was just building on top of it, basically mirroring what you said TBH.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

The issue is emotionally charged and highly divisive, so it is unsurprising to me. FWIW, I think the EU is doing what it can with diplomacy, but Putin has already shown that he cannot be reasoned with in this manner.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

And yet only one side has the power to unilaterally end the war by leaving.

[+] [email protected] -6 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

"neither side" shut the fuck up you uneducated moron. Delete your lemmy then throw your phone away. Loser

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

Ay, I completely agree with what you are saying.

However, you should have replaced everything after 'up' with a WHY.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Are you alright? If you feel the need to insult random strangers over the internet, it's best to stay away for a while.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Just report for abusive behavior and move on. Just a quick glance at this user's moderation history should tell you everything you need to know about them. 🙄

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

I don't think there was an insult to a random on the internet, but clearly targeted, measured and non escalating.

I guess both sides need to compromises, which in this case means you delete your account.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but you could always do a little more compromising yourself by deleting your account. It's what someone else decided for you, after all. Shouldn't you now have to at least consider it? You're not really working with the situation.