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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Hello world,

as many of you probably already know, Lemmy is an open source project and its development is funded by donations.

Unfortunately, as is often the case, donations amounts are often going down over time if people are not aware of their necessity. When older users leave the platform they may stop donating, while new users joining will typically not be aware of this and won't start donating to even things out or even go towards an overall increase in donations.

All of the services provided by our non-profit Fedihosting Foundation are dependent on the development of FOSS platforms, which we can host without paying any licensing or other fees, instead only being required to pay for the infrastructure cost. We are currently investing a small part (โ‚ฌ50 each) of the donations we receive in development of Lemmy and Mastodon, but the majority of the donations we receive are used for covering infrastructure costs. We're currently just about breaking even with the donations we receive, but it's certainly not enough to cover a large part of Lemmy or other software development costs.

We're looking to support sustainable software development for all the services we provide and will post similar announcements on our other platforms to promote donations towards the respective development teams in the coming days.

You can find the original announcement by @[email protected] below:

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/29579005

An open source project the size of Lemmy needs constant work to manage the project, implement new features and fix bugs. Dessalines and I work full-time on these tasks and more. As there is no advertising or tracking, all of our work is funded through donations. Unfortunately the amount of donations has decreased to only 2000โ‚ฌ per month. This leaves only 1000โ‚ฌ per developer, which is not enough to pay my bills. With the current level of donations I will be forced to find another job, and drastically reduce my contributions to Lemmy. To avoid this outcome and keep Lemmy growing, I ask you to please make a recurring donation:

Liberapay | Ko-fi | Patreon | OpenCollective | Crypto

If you want more information before donating, consider the comparison with Reddit. It began as startup funded by rich investors. The site is managed by corporate executives who over time have become more and more disconnected from normal users. Their main goal is to make investors happy and to make a profit. This leads to user-hostile decisions like firing the employee responsible for AMAs, blocking third-party apps and more. As Reddit is a single website under a single authority, it means all users need to follow the same rules, including ridiculous ones like censoring the name "Luigi".

Lemmy represents a new type of social media which is the complete opposite of Reddit. It is split across many different websites, each with its own rules, and managed by normal people who actually care about the users. There is no company and no profit motive. Much of the work is carried out by volunteer admins, mods and posters, who contribute out of enthusiasm and not for money. For users this is great as there is no advertising nor tracking, and no chance of takeover by a billionaire. Additionally there are no builtin political or ideological restrictions. You can use the software for any purpose you like, add your own restrictions or scrutinize its inner workings. Lemmy truly belongs to everyone.

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy to keep up with all the feature requests, bug reports and development work. Even so there is barely enough time in the day, and no time for a second job. Previously I sometimes had to rely on my personal savings to keep developing Lemmy for you, but that can't go on forever. We partly rely on NLnet for funding, but they only pay for development of new features, and not for mandatory maintenance work. The only available option are user donations. To keep it viable donations need to reach a minimum of 5000โ‚ฌ per month, resulting in a modest salary of 2500โ‚ฌ per developer. If that goal is reached Dessalines and I can stop worrying about money, and fully focus on improving the software for the benefit of all users and instances. Please use the link below to see current donation stats and make your contribution! We especially rely on recurring donations to secure the long-term development and make Lemmy the best it can be.

Donate


edit, as this was frequently brought up:

Will donations to Lemmy development go towards the operation of lemmy.ml?

It depends on the donation method used and is limited to around 2% of the minimum overall donation goal. The vast majority of donations is exclusively used for developer salaries.

lemmy.ml hosting is only financed by donations via Opencollective. All other donations go exclusively to developer salaries.

[source]

For donations via Open Collective, yes, a tiny fraction of donations towards Lemmy development will go towards the operation of lemmy.ml. The reasons for this include that lemmy.ml is used for testing new releases and also that it's not worth maintaining a separate donation account for the instance. Additionally, it should be noted that the money going towards lemmy.ml hosting is just a tiny fraction of the funds that are being asked for. Hosting lemmy.ml costs around โ‚ฌ100/month, which is only 2% of the stated minimum donation goal.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I've made my donation today for the first time.

I find it helpful that we have been keeping people full time, funded by donations. I would hope this model grows, expanding into for example specific features getting their own bucket of money, as we can voice our support for things that can get lost in a backlog.

I'm not sure I've seen how to contribute the old way, by donating time and performing tasks. Not my case, but how would someone get started on that?

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

if people want to contribute code, they can check out the various repositories in the LemmyNet GitHub org to see which issues are looking for someone to pick them up.

the main repositories, by language, are:

additionally, there is a range of open source alternative web interfaces and apps that wouldn't mind contributions. some of them are listed here: https://github.com/dbeley/awesome-lemmy?tab=readme-ov-file#alternative-front-ends

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[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was a paid patreon member which was supposed to give you access to the dev chat on discord, but despite asking a few times and paying for almost half a year, it just never happened. So I couldn't take them seriously.

Since I blocked .ml I can't leave a reply on the original message, and I'm not going to unblock them just because.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 113 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dessalines and I work fulltime on Lemmy

They should spend more time devving and less time mod actioning wrongthink

[โ€“] [email protected] 104 points 2 days ago (28 children)

Agreed. I'd like to support continued development of Lemmy, but I'm hesitant to do so knowing that part of those donations go to lemmy.ml's server upkeep.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (19 children)

The purity testing and holier-than-thou attacks going on in these fundraising threads are truly counterproductive. We're not strong enough as an ecosystem and community yet to be able to afford this luxury. If this is coming from the left, I think you should consider the larger goal here.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago

Done. Lemmy is too good not to get properly funded.

[โ€“] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

While I understand the moral objections people have to supporting the developers, I do think its fair to highlight how they do not treat us.

We are not a product here to be exploited and advertised to. They also respect your choice to block ml and not to interact with them at all for the rest. I am sure I would be absolutely abhorred by the depth of depravity of your average silicon valley CEO's hot takes, but they dont share it for this exact reason. Instead they just design their entire product and business around it, which is the enshittification we all know and hate.

People you dont agree with having a place of their own on the fediverse is a logical consequence of the idea behind it, and while uncomfortable, is a greater good in the end.

But to maintain that it means putting your money where your mouth. If not to them, to your own instance.

[โ€“] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am sure I would be absolutely abhorred by the depth of depravity of your average silicon valley CEOโ€™s hot takes

That's a really good point.

Also, the Lemmy devs might have authoritarian views but work off of donations while the silicon valley CEOs are some hyper-capitalists with power. The lesser evil seems clear to me.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Very well said. Everything good in life, will have some aspects that you (the global 'you') won't like.

Lemmy is a huge improvement over corporate social media. Maybe it has some ideologies you don't like here, but it beats an algorithm that secretly manipulates you.

If I use a FOSS product, then I try to pay for it, even if it's not perfect. For example, Firefox gets a lot of well deserved hate but without it I'm not sure there would be a realistic FOSS browser.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Ah shit. I'm currently a starving musician. I'll scrape you off some of the next gig.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just threw in a couple bucks! Loving Lemmy, it lacks the stench of capitalism that reddit fell victim to. Thank you to everyone who makes this place work!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (31 children)

No. Not until the people who want to genocide everyone who does not speak russian are gone from the project.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm not donating a single bit of whatever currency to .ml. Pick one or the other: dev costs or your own personal soap box cost.

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Meh, you can block the instance and still see the value in the project. I'd rather have both than neither.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That's how I use them but i am not giving a dime to those who want to kill me and constantly spew russian peopaganda. They can beg putin for funds.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml monthly server costs: like 30$/mo

Cost to develop a Reddit: like 30M/yr

Price Lemmy devs are doing it for: 3000$/mo

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tell you what, if you make lemmy.ml like a jail for those users where they can sit there all day long and let the other users themselves disconnect or not even see their posts, I will start donating. Almost like a 4chan for lemmy.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago

More than happy to monetarily support this amazing open source project with monthly contributions! Thank you to all the devs involved in running this platform

[โ€“] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Became a free member on patreon when i first joined lemmy. Completely forgot to actually up the tier. Recurring donations are now on, thanks for the reminder!

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