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This is an open question on how to get the masses to care...

Unfortunately, if other people don't protect their privacy it affects those who do, because we're all connected (e.g. other family members, friends). So it presents a problem of how do you get people who don't care, to care?

I started the Rebel Tech Alliance nonprofit to try to help with this, but we're still really struggling to convert people who have never thought about this.

(BTW you might need to refresh our website a few times to get it to load - no idea why... It does have an SSL cert!)

So I hope we can have a useful discussion here - privacy is a team sport, how do we get more people to play?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I've noticed many people tend to look for alternatives when their mainstream apps are either temporarily down or become greedy.

I remember a few years ago Meta servers were down which resulted in my whole family and some friends at least partially moving over to Signal. Now it's important that the alternative has at least the basic features people want. Most people are not ubernerds like us willing to sacrafice GIFs, emoji's or whatever and would switch back once they realize it's missing features.

For instance, I've noticed people becoming increasingly frustrated with Windows but won't switch to Linux due to missing program or game support.

So ultimately I think the focus should be for privacy-respecting apps to be feature-complete. It's much easier to convince someone to switch if there's a reason to stay.

This probably means sacrificing on security features but I don't think the goal should be for everyone to be on Qubes OS and SimpleX. Rather having at least basic online privacy and the ability to remove data on demand.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

I think making it as easy and feature packed as the big commercial apps and services would go a long way.

Right now asking someone to switch to a more private service/app is not only the work of switching over, but also learning an often much more complex system.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Steal their identity and doxx them. They'll play along after that experience

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

harsh! but might work lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As a thought experiment: what would have happened if instead of a public health regulation approach, we dealt with restaurant safety by providing a few safe places and advocating everyone go there if they don’t want salmonella or e-coli poisoning. We’d have people ignorant going to the dangerous places, others misinformed or in denial, and a flood of misinformation that food poisoning is either “fine” or there’s no avoiding it anyway so best not to worry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Interesting!

And then Fuckerberg would gaslight us by declaring that "public health is dead"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

Yes, all while he’d have a private chef and a staff that keep him safe.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

@[email protected]

Another wall of text no one will ever read does nothing. Here's what works:

https://lemmy.world/post/21620691 https://lemmy.world/post/20950542

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Anyone want to join my privacy team? I'm trying out for the 2026 Olympics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago

Same brooo🤣🤣

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

for the site see if you can reissue the cert or try certbot if u already used certbot try manyally downloading the cert an pointibng to it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The site is hosting by a hosting company - and they assure me that the cert is fine.

If I was self hosting I'd expect these problems, but not with a hosting company.

The only difference with this company is that they do not use any big tech infrastructure - they have their own servers. I wonder if big tech has something they don't.....?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

idk for me it doesnt say a error just cannot complete request and https even though connections not secure its quite odd and i can use http for it an it works

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

really? It works with just http? that is weird.

It suggests to me that the web hosting company we are using don't know what they're doing. We're going to change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

theres a lot of hosts you can find on https://kycnot.me/ if you need options still

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're basically studying viral pathology and immunology at that point. Remember how restaurant little can be for making and for vaccinations in American culture?

On top of it taking the slightest effort ... We basically have to settle the solutions and then invite or incentivize them into it, which is hard when you're against disinformation networks with better fundling.

Not to say it's hopeless. Just that the incentives in a highly individualized society captured under surveillance capitalism are misaligned.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Interesting you say viral pathology and immunology. Can you expand on what you mean on that a bit? I find it a useful analog for what's going on.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I'm sorry, first of all, for the egregious typos in my last remark. I won't be fixing them or future typos, lol.

Second, vaccines work by every person in a network being a less-weak node with less attack surface than if the whole network is without. Every person that armors up is protecting the whole system, just a little bit, until the network is complete with less attack surface.

Privacy restrictions, antivirus, healthy infosec, follow similar principals as masks and shots in arms, and you have to start studying how the threats respond to shifting attack surface.

At the point the effort to execute on the securing behavior is lowered, adoption improves, but at the point it conflicts with competing values you have to start marketing to people to do the right thing. Selling them on collective interest and on self interest. It's ironic.

How you do ANY of this, well, I can only speculate. I come from a backwards country where 1/3 of our population successfully installed a national health director that admits to not believing in germ theory, and I half expect civilian encryption to be outlawed in the next 18 months.

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