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    [–] [email protected] 17 points 9 hours ago

    A rusty bucket riddled with holes and the stick part of a shovel is better than snap for running software.

    [–] [email protected] 107 points 14 hours ago

    A magnetised needle and a steady hand is a better package format.

    [–] [email protected] 34 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 75 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

    Let the hate of the crowd wash over me, but I don't even like Flatpak, and I've got love-hate (mostly hate) relationship with AppImage as well.

    Just give me a system package or a zipped tarball.

    In recent years, have had to just get used to needing to build most projects from source.

    [–] msage 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (2 children)
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    [–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

    Why the hate part of AppImage?

    [–] [email protected] 75 points 14 hours ago (12 children)

    For me it is the "Windowsy" feeling of downloading an executable from some website. I prefer having all my packages managed in one place.

    [–] [email protected] 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

    Makes sense, I kinda like it from a distributor standpoint. Flatpak is my favorite though.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

    For simple "apps" it is fine, but my computer is not a phone and I don't use it like one. I mostly don't want simple apps that have their own little sandbox to play in.

    I want full-scale applications that are so big they have to use system libraries to keep their disk size down. I also don't want them in a sandbox. I want them to have full access to the system to do everything they need to do, I want them to integrate with far-flung parts of the system and other applications too. I only use applications I trust and don't want them constantly pestering me about configuring permissions and access in just the right ways and opening all the right doors and ports and directories to make them work, I trust them by installing them, they have permission, and the easier they make it to access everything I will inevitably be asking them to access, the happier I am.

    My practical concern with distribution methods like AppImage and Flatpak is that now I have to do a lot of extra thinking every time I'm installing anything. To pick how I'm going to install something, I have to solve the matrix of "what kind of distribution method do I prefer for this type of software" combined with "what distribution methods are available for this software" and "what versions are the available distribution methods for this software" and "what distribution method provides the best way for this software to get updates".

    In the olden days, when the distro's package manager was the only choice, all I had to care about was "is it available in my distro" and the decision tree was complete. I appreciate all the availability of choice that things like AppImage provide, but it doesn't actually make it easier for me, it just makes it easier for the packager of the software. They're doing less, but making more work for me, as a user. Distro packages are a lot of work for the maintainer precisely because they at least make an effort to solve many of these issues for the user. The value-add that maintainers provide is real.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 12 hours ago

    It doesn't sound like they're making more work for you. It sounds like you're making more work for yourself, and it sounds exhausting.

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

    Just not a fan of container formats in general.

    I say that as a heavy user of Docker, but that's a different use-case.

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

    I go the opposite way. I like the ideas of container formats lol

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    [–] [email protected] 44 points 13 hours ago (12 children)

    A stab at my personal ranking: .deb > appimage > flatpack > curling a shell script

    I can't help but love a .deb file (even when not via repo), I've almost exclusively used Debian and it derivatives since the late 90s. And snap isn't on the list because it got stored in a loopback device I removed.

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

    I just recently de-snapped yet another ubuntu system. Couldn't agree more. I use debian standard for all of my stuff, and I agree with your ranking.

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    [–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

    xbps > pacman > apt imo

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    [–] [email protected] 29 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

    my issue with snaps is honestly just that they are controlled too much by just one entity (canonical) and there is no reason for them to exist because flatpak already does everything they do.

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    [–] [email protected] 23 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

    I tried a snap package on my pop-os system once & it poo'ed folders all over my system, then didn't actually uninstall when I uninstalled it.

    No thank you.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

    thats the thing with snaps: they go all over the place on your system, so even if you uninstall it (which itself is a tiring and cumbersome task at times!), they magically stay everywhere on the systems, with tons of folders and files.

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    [–] [email protected] 28 points 14 hours ago (11 children)

    I have really started to like AppImage. You just download a single file make it executable and it just works.

    I use Cursor for coding, and it has an appimage that replaces itself when it updates.

    [–] [email protected] 46 points 13 hours ago (8 children)

    That's cool and all but it would be even cooler if you could just install and keep it updated through your package manager

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    [–] [email protected] 15 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (5 children)

    Why tf does every app have to mount itself as a virtual block device?

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

    This annoys me when I don't have a command aliased to filter them.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago

    Because fuck you, that's why

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    [–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago

    .tar.gz should be appimage.

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