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I'm going to switch to arch for my general-purpose laptop, since I feel like kubuntu is not enough for me, I want to try a tiling WM and do some ricing.

I'm still undecided between plain arch or CachyOS, because that optimisation looks promising and I also game on my laptop.

The fact is that CachyOS seems more "bloated" with some unnecessary packages, so what do you suggest me? A simple arch installation, arch using the cachy-linux kernel and its optimisations or a debloated CachyOS install? Thank you all in advance.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I have been an Arch user for a decade. This year I switched to CachyOS to give it a go. Performance (for me at least) has indeed improved but its not a massive jump.

I don't find it particularly 'bloated'. There wasn't much I had to uninstall after installation and the installer gives you the option to deselect packages. List of packages here: https://github.com/CachyOS/cachyos-calamares/blob/cachyos-systemd-qt6/src/modules/netinstall/netinstall.yaml

Its also not as simple as many people claim to switch to CachyOS just by changing repos. CachyOS also has some of its own configs that would also need to be imported. I found it was easier just to install Cachy and remove unwanted packahes than switch repos on my Arch install and fiddle around with a bunch of configs and change some packages and settings.

So far I have found CachyOS a little more buggy than my install of Arch. But not so much that I want to switch back. So far the slight performance increases are keeping it worth it.

If, gods forbid, CachyOS ever stopped being maintained, it will be easy to switch back to vanilla Arch.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't use either but IMO people are far too worried about bloat, it's not some monster that'll drag you down. Unless you're extremely space constrained some extra packages on disk won't make any difference. And even on the slimmest install there'll be stuff you never use anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I understand, but less packages means it's easier to manage my system. One of the reasons I'm leaning towards arch is because of its minimal approach, so that I can install only what I need.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Less packages really doesn't mean much in terms of how easy the system will be to manage. If anything, I'd say a distro with more, but pre installed packages is easier to manage because the maintainers will make sure that those packages will be as easy to work with and upgrade as possible.

That said, I'm definitely not going to stop you from trying Arch though. You can even get similar (or better) optimizations by using the ALHP repos and a kernel like linux-tkg or linux-cachyos for example, although the difference really is negligible in most cases.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Don't buy into the bloat meme.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I use Arch on all my systems now. It does great for gaming on both my beefy gaming PC and my little work laptop (within their respective punching weights). I haven't felt the need to explore CachyOS or any other variants for performance gains and I really do appreciate how bare bones Arch is. Just having the lightweight OS that isn't doing a darn thing beyond what I've asked it to claws back plenty of performance, although I'm speaking more in contrast to Windows than other distros having any sort of bloat.

Still, Arch has been the first distro I really committed to, I've been on it for a year and a half now and learning how to build it out taught me a lot about Linux.

Also, I'm just never sure how long some of this offshoot distros will hold on for, you know? Is that unfounded?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago

I didn't really think about your last point, in fact a big distro like arch will probably never die, while, just how we saw with arcolinux, these smaller distros with smaller development teasm can die in the future.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Start by using base arch and eventually you can try to use the cachyos repos if you want to try and get some performance uplift.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's what I think I'm going to do, probably the best approach

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

There are many meta-packages you can install. Im on arch for years, it works well as long as you dont constantly tinker with it.

I usually set up an arch install with the desktop environment and some basic setup where I can use it for my needs, then I use clonezilla to make a mirror of the install. Once a month I update the mirror by itself. In case I bork my main install, I use the mirror to rewrite my main system, no need to reinstall. I guess having a cheap 500gb ssd around pays for iself in this usecase.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I suggest installing EndeavourOS because it is pretty minimal, you can even select the option to not include EOS's OS theming during the install process, so basically a bare install. Their installer also allows me to choose ext4 instead of the buggy BTRFS file structure. Then, after install and updating, I add the Chaotic-Aur repos. and do an update. Then I get the Garuda Linux repos installed. Why? Because they have lots of handy tools, gaming, power-daemen for both performance and power-savings (laptops) and a handy app for installing kernels, including the CachyOS kernels and their optimizations in the Garuda Settings Manager. If you don't want ext4 file structure you can skip EOS/Chaotic-Aur and just download Garuda KDE light edition.

Else, get Garuda repos on your system by downloading 'Garuda-update' from here, and install with Octopi or CLI command, and then do a system update, then do 'garuda-update' in terminal which should pull in the garuda repos (say 'yes' when prompted to all the options to add repos.) Minimal system with lots of options to choose.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't really like endeavourOS, seems like that it points more towards user friendliness than performance, which is not what I'm aiming to. I will probably install base arch, get familiar with it and then select some packages from either cachy or guarda to improve performance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

EndeavourOS doesn't add anything to Arch performance, it is basically a minimal install of arch with their theming included, which you can opt out of during install. But, to each his own.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've been seeing a lot of people pushing catchyos lately. Has anyone actually tested if these optimizations actually offer any real world benefit?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 days ago

Install your own from one of the parent distros: Debian, Fedora/openSUSE, sources (eg. Exherbo, Gentoo), the state-based one I always forget.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You can try Endeavour OS. Its pretty close to stock. I found cachyos was too bloated for my likings and ffmpeg ran faster on EOS than COS in my case.

[–] LeFantome 2 points 4 days ago

ffmpeg will do CPU detection and use features like AVX2 if available even on vanilla distros.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Why would ffmpeg run faster on another distro?