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Researchers want the public to test themselves: https://yourmist.streamlit.app/. Selecting true or false against 20 headlines gives the user a set of scores and a "resilience" ranking that compares them to the wider U.S. population. It takes less than two minutes to complete.

The paper

Edit: the article might be misrepresenting the study and its findings, so it's worth checking the paper itself. (See @realChem 's comment in the thread).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey all, thanks for reporting this to bring some extra attention to it. I'm going to leave this article up, as it is not exactly misinformation or anything otherwise antithetical to being shared on this community, but I do want to note that there are four different sources here:

  • There's the original study which designed the misinformation susceptibility test; the ArXiv link was already provided, but in case anyone would like a look the study was indeed peer reviewed and published (as open access) in the journal Behavior Research Methods. As with all science, when reading the paper it's important to recognize exactly what it is the authors were even trying to do, taking into account that they're likely using field-specific jargon. I'm not a researcher in the social sciences so I'm unqualified to have too strong an opinion, but from what I can tell they did achieve what they were trying to with this study. There are likely valid critiques to be made here, but as has already been pointed out in our comments many aspects of this test were thought out and deliberately chosen, e.g. the choice to use only headlines in the test (as opposed to, e.g., headlines along with sources or pictures). One important thing to note about this study is that it is currently only validated in the US. The researchers themselves have made it clear in the paper that results based on the current set of questions likely cannot be compared between countries.

  • There's the survey hosted on streamlit. This is being run by several authors on the original paper, but it is unclear exactly what they're going to do with the data. The survey makes reference to the published paper so the data from this survey doesn't seem like it was used in constructing the original paper (and indeed the original paper discusses several different versions of the test as well as a longitudinal study of participants). Again, taken for what it is I think it's fine. In fact I think that the fact that this survey has been made available is why this has generated so much discussion and (warranted) skepticism. Being able to test yourself on a typical survey gives a feel for what is and isn't actually being measured. I consider this a pretty good piece of science communication / outreach, if nothing else.

  • There is the poll by YouGov. This is separate from the original study. The researchers seem to be aware of it, but as far as I can tell weren't directly involved in running the poll, analyzing the data, or writing the article about it. This is not inherently a bad poll, but I do think it's worth noting that it is not a peer reviewed study. We have little visibility into how they conducted their data analysis here, for one thing. ~~From what I can tell without knowing how they actually did their analysis the data here looks fine, but (this not being a scientific paper) some of the text surrounding the data is a bit misleading.~~ EDIT: Actually it looks like they've shared their full dataset including how they broke categories down for analysis, it's available here. Seeing this doesn't much change my overall impression of the survey other than to agree with Panteleimon that the demographic representation here is not very well balanced, especially once you start trying to take the intersections of multiple categories. Doing that, some of their data points are going to have much lower statistical significance than other. My main concern is that some of the text surrounding the data is kinda misleading. For example, in one spot they write, "Older adults perform better than younger adults when it comes to the Misinformation Susceptibility Test," which (if their data and analysis can be believed) is true. However nearby they write, "Younger Americans are less skilled than older adults at identifying real from fake news," which is a different claim and as far as I can tell isn't well supported by their data. To see the difference, note that when identifying real vs fake news a reader has more to go on than just a headline. MIST doesn't test the ability to incorporate all of that context, that's just not what it was designed to do.

  • Finally, there's the linked phys.org article. This is the part that seems most objectionable to me. The headline is misleading in the same way I just discussed, and the text of the article does a bad job of making it clear that the YouGov poll is different from the original study. The distinction is mentioned in one paragraph, but the rest of the article blends quotes from the researchers with YouGov polling results, strongly implying that the YouGov poll was run by these researchers (again, it wasn't). It's a bit unfortunate that this is what was linked here, since I think it's the least useful of these four sources, but it's also not surprising since this kind of pop-sci reporting will always be much more visible than the research it's based on. (And to be clear, I feel I could have easily linked this article myself, I probably wouldn't have even noticed the conflation of different sources if this hadn't generated so many comments and even a report; just a good reminder to keep our skeptic hats on when we're dealing with secondary sources.)

Finally, I'd just like to say I'm pretty impressed by the level of skepticism, critical thinking, and analysis you all have already done in the comments. I think that this indicates a pretty healthy relationship to science communication. (If anything folks are maybe erring a bit on the side of too skeptical, but I blame the phys-org article for that, since it mixed all the sources together.)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Throwing phys.org into my "not necessarily reliable sources" list. Sorry about this, I'll be more careful in the future.

I added "Misleading" to the title.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

May I be honest? The study is awful. It has two big methodological flaws that stain completely its outcome.

The first one is the absence of either an "I don't know" answer, or a sliding scale for sureness of your answer. In large part, misinformation is a result of lack of scepticism - that is, failure at saying "I don't know this". And odds are that you're more likely to spread discourses that you're sure about, be them misinformation or actual information.

The second flaw is over-reliance on geographically relevant information. Compare for example the following three questions:

  1. Morocco’s King Appoints Committee Chief to Fight Poverty and Inequality
  2. International Relations Experts and US Public Agree: America Is Less Respected Globally
  3. Attitudes Toward EU Are Largely Positive, Both Within Europe and Outside It

The likelihood of someone living in Morocco, USA and the EU to be misinformed about #1, #2 and #3 respectively is far lower than the odds of someone living elsewhere. And more than that: due to the first methodological flaw, the study isn't handling the difference between "misinformed" (someone who gets it wrong) and "uninformed" (someone who doesn't believe anything in this regard).

(For me, who don't live in any of those three: the questions regarding EU are a bit easier to know about, but the other two? Might as well toss a coin.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

You are totally right. It mostly tests whether you are up to date on the current news stories in the "correct" part of the world.

What's making this worse is that "Government Officials Have Manipulated Stock Prices to Hide Scandals" is classified as a fake news headline. That might be true in the US, but here exactly this happened. Or at least they tried and failed. Someone working for a big state pension fund was gambling with the fund's money and when she lost a lot of it, she tried manipulation to win the money back, which failed.

The right way to discern fake news from real news (apart from maybe really obvious examples) is to read the article, check the sources and compare with other sources.

In 2013 a headline like "Putin about to start a decade-long war in Europe that will cause a world-wide financial crisis" would have been a ridiculous clickbait fake news headline.

Same with "The whole continent is not allowed to leave their homes for months due to Chinese virus" in 2019.

Or "CIA is spying on all internet users" in 2008.

And yet these things happened.

Because what makes fake news is not whether it is outlandish that something like that could happen, but instead it's fake news because it hasn't happened.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Got 20/20, was rewarded with a message, “You're more resilient to misinformation than 100% of the US population!” and looked for the Fake button because as a member of the US population, that is a mathematical impossibility.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% has a margin of error in millions, or tens of, depending on interpretation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For most purposes, a 5% margin of error is considered acceptable. Since some quick websearch estimates 336M people, if up to ~17M people are informed, you can still claim that 100% is misinformed.

(But then, if you actually know how many people are informed, your acceptable margin of error falls down considerably.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I feel like a lot of people are missing the point when it comes to the MIST. I just very briefly skimmed the paper.

Misinformation susceptibility is being vulnerable to information that is incorrect

  • @[email protected] @[email protected] It seems that the authors are looking to create a standardised measure of "misinformation susceptibility" that other researchers can employ in their studies so that these studies can be comparable, (the authors say that ad-hoc measures employed by other studies are not comparable).
  • @[email protected] the reason a binary scale was chosen over a likert-type scale was because
    1. It's less ambiguous to participants
    2. It's easier for researchers to implement in their studies
    3. The results produced are of a similar 'quality' to the likert scale version
  • If the test doesn't include pictures, a source name, and a lede sentence and produces similar results to a test which does, then the simpler test is superior (think about the participants here). The MIST shows high concurrent validity with existing measures and states a high level of predictive validity (although I'd have to read deeper to talk about the specifics)

It's funny how the post about a misinformation test was riddled with misinformation because no one bothered to read the paper before letting their mouth run. Now, I don't doubt that your brilliant minds can overrule a measure produced with years of research and hundreds of participants off the top of your head, but even if what I've said may be contradicted with a deeper analysis of the paper, shouldn't it be the baseline?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks for this. I'll freely admit I'm an idiot and didn't feel smart enough to understand the paper (see username). Clarification is much welcome.

I added the link to the paper to the body of the post.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not saying you're wrong at all, but I just did the test and it's kinda funny that the title of this article would certainly have been one of the "fake news" examples.

Obviously the study shows that the test is useful (as you pointed out quite well!), but it's ironic that the type of "bait" that they want people to recognize as fake news was used as the title of the article for the paper.

(Also, not saying the authors knew about or approved the article title or anything)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for this!

I have to say though, it's really interesting to see the reactions here, given the paper's findings. Because in the study, while people got better at spotting fake news after the game/test, they got worse at identifying real news, and overall more distrustful of news in general. I feel like that's on display here - with people (somewhat correctly) mistrusting the misleading article, but also (somewhat incorrectly) mistrusting the research behind it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's a very interesting anecdote, now that you say it

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

As a terminally online millennial, I was scared for a second, but I did okay on the test. Then again, I'm 40 and barely even qualify as 'millennial', and not at all as 'young'.

I found the language of the questions was glaringly obvious. What do you think?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I found the language of the questions was glaringly obvious. What do you think?

It's potentially on purpose, to exploit the fact that fake news have often a certain "discursive pattern".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought that without any article text it was very difficult. Is the government trying to increase acceptance of genetic modification? Well, if the goal is to improve agricultural outputs they probably should be; I would expect that there is a pamphlet or website somewhere that helpfully explains that genetically modified crops are safe to consume and can be made more productive, or more resistant to pests or drought, or enhanced in other beneficial ways. That should count right?

But I marked it as false because based on the tone I assumed the associated article would actually be about modifying babies or something. I scored 20/20, which means I was rewarded for making assumptions about the article without reading it, which is not a good method for determining the truth of an article in real life!

Basically in order to achieve a good score, I stopped thinking about the information itself and started thinking about why the specific headlines were chosen for the test, which means they probably aren't measuring what they believe they're measuring.

Edit: Thinking again, maybe the skill of guessing why researchers chose specific headlines is related to the skill of guessing which actual headlines are intentionally misleading. Guessing if the original writer/editor of a headline is trying to trick me is only one step removed from guessing why a researcher would include it in their survey. Apparently this test produces similar results to versions that have ledes, images, bylines, etc., which is interesting. Also in IRL scenarios, when I'm uncertain about an article I go looking for more info, which I didn't do for this test because their suggestion that "it only takes 2 minutes" seemed to imply a rule against using other sites. I would be interested to see how much accuracy improves when participants are encouraged to take their time and try to find the correct answers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm not sure this is a good study. I mean I scored 85% so woohoo but you just get headlines to go off. The art of noticing disinformation is in reading articles and making inferences on them. Questions like "vaccines contain harmful chemicals" are obvious red flags but there are some that are a reasonable-sounding headline but I'd imagine the article itself would fall apart on first reading. I know half the problem is people don't read articles but this is a very simplistic survey.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It is, and I feel the questions are quite obvious.

That being said... I'm related to conspiracy theorists. I got a first-row seat to their dumbassery on facebook before I deleted my account. And... a significant issue was paywalled articles with clickbait titles, during Covid especially. The title was a doubt-inducing questions, such as "Do vaccines make you magnetic?" and the reasoning disproving that was locked behind the paywall. And my relatives used those as confirmation that their views were true. Because the headlines introduced doubt and the content wasn't readable. That and satire articles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not only is it not good, I'd dare to say it's awful. Never mind that the headlines themselves are terribly crafted: the entire point is that one has to be critical of sources, and not take everything at face value just because it sounds somewhat convincing. It's not about blatantly discrediting things at face value because they don't fit what you believed to be true.

By the standards of this test, headlines such as "The CIA Subjected African-Amercians to LSD for 77 Consecutive Days in Experiment" would clearly belong in the fake news category. And if it's supposed to test whether the (presumably American) respondent has decent insight into the realities of contemporary politics, why in the world would it include something as obscure as "Morocco’s King Appoints Committee Chief to Fight Poverty and Inequality". There's literally no way of knowing without context whether the associated article would be propaganda or just an obscure piece of foreign correspondence. Many of the "true" headlines are still things one shouldn't take for granted without checking sources, and many of the "fake" ones are cartoonish.

It's just bad research.

Edit: Rather than bad research, it seems it might be badly misrepresented. The article itself appears completely different from what is reported in the linked article. I'm still, however, not entirely convinced by the approach using AI generated headlines.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A common tactic I've seen in news headlines is referencing substances that can harm a human without indicating that in the quantities that they are present, they are not a concern. I'm not sure what the right answer would be to the vaccines question given that. If that is the case there, it may be true but misleading.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Questions like "vaccines contain harmful chemicals" are obvious red flags but there are some that are a reasonable-sounding headline

It's exactly those "reasonable" sounding headlines (and in some cases the ideas and opinions that back them up in the body of the article, but that has to be provided for it to relevant, which as you point out isn't, which is a big problem) that serve as misinformation and/or dog whistles, so "vaccines contain harmful chemicals" could be aimed at antivaxxers (and those susceptible to being pushed there), but it's also technically correct, for example apples and bananas contain "harmful chemicals" too.
The article could be either fear mongering and disinformation - false, or science based and educational - true, but we can't know which just from the headline.

A headline like "small group of people control the global media and economy" could be a dog whistle for antisemitism - false, or be an observation of life on earth right now - truth.

My point is there are headlines that would seem like conspiracy theory to some, but irrefutable fact to others, and probably the opposite of each to each respective group, and without more than a headline (and often even with, of course), it's entirely down to the readers' existing opinions and biases.

Not a great way to test this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just took a look here, and yeah. One of the headlines they ask you to rate is "Hyatt Will Remove Small Bottles from Hotel Bathrooms". It's the kind of thing that's basically a coin flip. Without having any context into the story, I have no opinion on whether it's fake or not. I don't think guessing incorrectly on this one would indicate somebody is any more or less susceptible to miscategorizing stories as real/fake.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I assume the idea is to include some pointless headlines (such as this) in order to provide some sort of baseline. The researcher probably extracts several dimensions from the variables, and I assume this headline would feed into a "general scepticism" variable that measures he likelihood that the respondent will lean towards things being fake rather than real.

Still, I'm not at all convinced about this research design.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Maybe they targeted redditors specifically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Somehow I got 100%, but it was mainly luck. I really have no clue what % support marijuana is in the US, how young Americans feel about global warming, or how globally respected they feel. I'm not from there, so I don't follow it at all. I think it would've been better if they had an "I don't know / Irrelevant to me" option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

that test is bs, first I might be gullible and the second round 17/20, the study is the fake news

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

18/20, wonder which ones I got wrong.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got 18/20, but also THEY DONT HAVE AN OPTION FOR AUSTRALIA! What kind of survey has Austria and Azerbaijan but not Australia. Seriously. And you Americans love a binary scale of political preference. At least it wasn’t a required question.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where did you see an option to choose your country?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After you finish the survey, it asks your age, gender, country and political position (from a drop-down that goes from "Extremely Liberal" to "Extremely Conservative").

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Oh, I thought they would asking for it before the survey begins and the questions are tweaked accordingly. It isn't really fair to ask someone from the other side of the world questions solely based on US politics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I imagine a main goal is to create a sensation of being overwhelmed, which in turn can easily make one apathetic, cynical.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

The immediate aim is to entertain, confuse, and overwhelm the audience, and disinterest in or opposition to fact-checking and accurate reporting means the propaganda can be delivered to the public more quickly than better sources.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Weird. The only people I know that continually and aggressively bring up very obvious misinformation are the 50+ people in my life.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I think the young feel immune, and that they feel socially progressive news cannot be lies because "that is not what our side does, we have ethics".

It's not true in practice, though. Fake news are used to sow division, and making people angry on both sides is part of it. The far-right, boomer fake news are more obvious because they are outlandish, but there's more than that out there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's anecdotal experience, I'm 50+ and I got 19/20, I 100% identified all fakes and marked fake one of the real ones, so I'm on the skeptical side of things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ironically the study ignores the arguably most important part of facing fake news: being critical of sources. And as a reportedly "vulnerable" millennial myself, I have to say I'm critical of this one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That is such a lazy study it's pitiful and it does in no way test your ability to discern the veracity of news, so even the full marks I got are useless.

First of all, if you generate fake headlines either test someone's general knowledge or critical thinking, don't conflate the two. Secondly, it's the latter that actually matters the most, so if you build your knowledge based on headlines, you're already close to the fake news group.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hooo boy. This article is wildly misrepresenting both the study and it's findings.

  1. The study did not set out to test ability to judge real/fake news across demographic differences. The study itself was primarily looking to determine the validity of their test.
  2. Because of this, their validation sample is wildly different from the sample observed in the online "game" version. As in, the original sample vetted participants, and also removed any who failed an "attention check", neither of which were present in the second test.
  3. Demographics on the portion actually looking at age differences are... let's say biased. There are far more young participants, with only ~10% over 50. The vast majority (almost 90%!) were college educated. And the sample trended liberal to a significant degree.
  4. All the above suggests that the demographic most typically considered "bad" at spotting fake news (conservative boomers who didn't go to college) was massively underrepresented in the study. Which makes sense given that participation in that portion relies on largely unvetted volunteers to sign up to test their ability to spot fake news.

Most critically, the study itself does not claim that differences between these demographics are representative. That portion is looking at differences in the sample pool before/after the test, to examine its potential for "training" people to spot fake news (this had mixed results, which they acknowledge). This article, ironically, is spreading misinformation about the study itself, and doing the researchers and its readers a great disservice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Regarding 3, that is the bane of many studies. College students are a demographic to which researchers tend to have easy access, they have time enough to participate and can be motivated by 20€ Amazon vouchers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I recall reading something about fake news and propaganda some decades ago. Can't recall the source book but it goes like this:

If one person tells you something absolutely outrageous you won't believe it. If a second person tells you the same story you will stop and wonder. If a third person, preferably someone you respect, tells you the same you will have no doubts about the story at all.

I have no idea how true this is but if two more people tell you the same thing...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

That's... That was true for me, I think. I'm old, didn't always have the internet, I trusted books and family.

But I trusted books, which made me a bit of an alien in my family. And then I acquired extreme suspicion of everything when, at the same time, I started paying attention to far-right politics, and my family got sucked into far-right thinking.

Now they went full Qanon, which pretty much radicalized me. Things are so emotionally charged for me now that I have to doubt and cross-check out of sheer and absolute spite. That shit robbed me of my family and I am so, so pissed.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have no idea how true this [the saying] is but if two more people tell you the same thing…

I'm not sure, but I think that this is largerly true to the masses because we [people in general] are not well trained to think rationally on the matters, so we let fallacies like ad populum stain our beliefs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Critical thinking should be on every school curriculum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I also think so.

Critical thinking is not just something that you use "when you science"; it's something for your whole life. It makes you a better human being, as you understand better the world and people around you. And it would make people extra resilient against misinformation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

17/20. I got 90% in detecting fake news, but 80% in identifying real news...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would cheat on this test because I cheat in real life. I've been humbled enough times not to put total faith in my initial impression and would rather have more evidence than whatever I happen to be aware of at the moment to determine whether a claim is true.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolutely. The problem isn't that some people can psychically know whether a headline is true and some can't.

The problem is deciding that you know without checking. Which is exactly what this test seems to want you to do.

I mean what does "real" even mean in this context? Just that it's a published headline? Or that it's a fact checked headline?

What if it's true, but it's not a published headline?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I got 19/20, my girlfriend got 15/20. We both think the test design is not super good - only the headlines lead to guessing some times, where parts of article might have painted a clearer picture

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah, there were a few headlines where I was like “Well… maybe? If I can’t actually read it I’ll assume false, though.”

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