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[–] melfie@lemmings.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It’s quite concerning that something like 37% of the land on this planet is used for agriculture with most of it used for livestock. Biodiversity is being destroyed so we can enjoy a grilled ribeye.

So, I understand the enthusiasm for lab-grown meat. At the same time, I don’t trust big corporations and their captured government agencies to be truthful about the long-term health effects of something like lab-grown meat, and I also expect the positive environmental impact may get overstated to push for outlawing traditional livestock in favor of lab-grown meat for which a handful of big corporations will own patents. Patented seeds for plants that don’t produce viable seeds and lab-grown meat sounds like a good way for corporations to have complete control over humanity’s food supply, more so than they do already.

[–] Mallspice@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Starting to think a significant portion of rich people genuinely view suffering as an essential if not occult component to the value of their products. Like it means more to them when a thing suffers or dies to produce what they have.

[–] pugsnroses77@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

diamond rings come to mind, i dont know why some people have a bone to pick with lab-grown diamonds, does the horrible labor behind mining make the "real thing" better?

[–] Mallspice@lemm.ee 2 points 6 days ago

Same. To some, yes.

[–] SlimeKnight@lemm.ee 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Not just products but life as a whole.

Too many people have the mentality of "If I suffered, you should to", or equate their value to their suffering "Suffering builds character", "You only slept 6 hours? Try 4 like me".

Humanity has an unhealthy obsession with suffering equating validation.

[–] Mallspice@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

Yes. Hearing about how pre colonial Hawaiians worked like 9-12am and were so efficient they could spend the rest of the day playing, makes me deeply sad to see how far we’ve regressed.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 169 points 1 week ago (23 children)

But in all seriousness I would love if lab meats became economically viable.

Imagine being able to have some lab grown mammoth. Enjoy something our ancestors did

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 80 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The moment corporations see they are cheaper, they'll start pushing for them, exaggerating their benefits like environmental impact as a propaganda tool.

But there would still be slaughtered meats for as long as there are rich assholes paying for "the true experience" or just because it's not something everyone gets to do and they like to feel unique and superior to the rest of humanity.
Knowing those out-of-touch monsters, they'd double down in 'the experience' by getting to slaughter the animal themselves or something like that.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

rich assholes paying for “the true experience”

See also: "actually lab diamonds are too perfect, the subtle imperfections and discolorations really enhance the je ne se quoi of blood diamonds"

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly, that's almost a perfect win. If farming animals for meat becomes something for the 0.01%, imagine how much better things would be. How much less strain we'd put on the planet, and how much animal suffering would be prevented.

And we'd be only a few guillotines away from a full solution.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 1 week ago (7 children)

i just want cheap blocks of TVP available in the store

we've had the technology to make TVP for decades, it's a perfectly fine replacement for meat if you just marinate it a bit, why the fuck is it not bog standard?

[–] Flemmy@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well it differs per country but in Europe the meat industry holds quite a foot in the door to keep profiting and growing. And tbh large cheap cattle farms have been showing obvious signs over overcrowding and diseases. And I'm not the type to buy more animal ingredients or else meat farmer gets loose. We got to think beyond our bonus.

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[–] Affidavit@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Dodo birds went extinct for a reason, Galápagos tortoises are almost there too.

I reckon they must be delicious, cultivated meat is likely the only way we're ever going to find out what the big deal is. If we can find out without slaughtering an animal then I can see no downsides.

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Anything is delicious if all you ate was bread and pickled cabbage on long voyages.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Meat eating ties into a lot of people conceptions of masculinity. The idea that you might be eating something that didn’t have to die takes the power and dominance out of it - a sexual politics of meat if you will.

I’m not saying this is true of everyone who eats meat - but there is a certain type that this unambiguously true for. Think of the guys with the aviator glasses sitting in the truck pfp - eating dead cow is as American and masculine as fucking women.

(Think about how much the absolutely stupid “if vegs hate meat so much, why do they make fake meat?” sounds like “if lesbians don’t like mean, why do they use dildos?)

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That's... A theory, pretty sure it's more that meat just tastes good though

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Yes - it is that way for normal people. Notice the amount of qualifiers in my original statement.

There is a disturbing undercurrent to some people’s understanding of meat - to the point where people like Jordan Peterson (others too) have made themselves sick on “carnivore” diets.

I am talking about the kind of people mentioned in the OP that are upset that fake meat options exist. Part of the reason these people are upset - because any rational meat eater would be like cool, more food options - is that they view synthetic meats or even people choosing not to eat meat as an attack on their personal identity, which for these individuals is constructed around this weird patriarchal nationalist thing.

When I get a honey butter chicken biscuit from Whata, I’m doing it because I’m hungry and those things taste like crack. For some men, eating meat is something they have this complex about - you eat a steak because you aren’t a weak little soy boy.

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[–] Themadbeagle@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't disagree with the fact that a lot of men obsessively eat meat and act like it is the only food worth eating is because of toxic masculine culture. I have met plenty of those type.

I do just want to add, in the context of this post, I think the motivation for the group being against meat eating is that it is a farming group, and I'm assuming, at least in some capacity, they represent animal farmers. They have a vested economic interest in stopping the push of lab grown meat. This is not me thinking they should, just thought I would point that out.

Like I said, my comment is not to take away from your post, just to add what I think is important context to the original post.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

No Farmers No Food looks to be one of these right wing conspiracists outfits associated with this phenomenon.

“NO FARMERS NO FOOD: WILL YOU EAT THE BUGS?” is an Epoch Original documentary exposing the hidden agenda behind global “Green Policies,” the untold stories of farmers forced out of business, the disruption this will have on our food supply, and why edible bugs are suddenly being pushed to the fore as a "Global Green Solution."

EpochTV program “Facts Matter” host Roman Balmakov travels around the world to investigate this next global food crisis that is being ignored by the world’s media.

Edit: the guy who runs it isn’t even a farmer.

I think that specific account strengthens my argument even more.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (11 children)

No more farmers, lab grown food! Better for the environment, better for animals. Win win. Farmers in The Netherlands are seriously fucked up, going as far as threatening politicians with murder at their private home. So fuck meat, dairy and egg farmers. We only need fruits and vegetables, and lab grown meat is a nice addition.

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[–] groolthedemon@lemmy.world 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Am I the only one that feels bad about how that guy feels about fucking up his marriage? Lol.

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

Nah that's real

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

My vegan perspective: I'm uncomfortable with foods that continue to reproduce the aesthetics of exploitation and probably wouldn't eat it myself. But because it's affect on the world would likely include a sizable reduction in actual real animal exploitation, I'd welcome it's introduction and maybe even promote it to some.

[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

Thats an interesting take. Most people don't eat meat specifically because its exploitative, they eat it because its easier (relatively) to get the needed nutrients through meat, and because its taste and texture are hard to replicate. Lab grown meat manages to do this (hopefully) without any exploitation.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago (14 children)

the only reason i'd have an issue with it is because of the markup on most items like this (looking in your direction beyond and morningstar).

if they can have a sustainable and ethical method of creating food then it should be free to everyone who needs it.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago

Potatoes aren't even free so I doubt that is happening.

Cheaper food would be a good start, potatoes and rice are incredibly cheap foods.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lab grown food is legitimately super expensive to make though.

[–] damdy@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

When I got a playstation 2, my stepfather was amazed it had a blue led. They were crazy expensive just a few years earlier and this console just used one for no real reason other than it looked good.

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[–] Zgierwoj@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Well rn lab grown meat is even worse in terms of CO2 than animal farming, so don't get your hopes up yet. Yeah, sure, it means less animals getting thrown into the torture and murder machine, but if you really want to make a difference it's by convincing peoples to go vegan, at least in this decade

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I was mostly thinking about taste and texture. I never even considered that the CO2 impact might be worse. That sucks.

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[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No farmers no food!

lab grown meat joins the game

Oy! That's not fair!

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The thing is they spend so much time protesting, mostly about inconsequential things, I'm not sure they produce any food anyway.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 0 points 6 days ago

Lab grown meat is so expensive and small in quantities that it is inconsequential alright

[–] EySkibidiBabBab@feddit.dk 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I probably wouldn't eat it myself. Not due to "Muh meat. Muh masculinityh!" -- but because i feel like, that everytime we mess too much with food, we end up making it bad for ourselves in some weird way. Processed foods and all that jazz.

So i'll continue eating my legumes, greens and the monthly beef.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 6 days ago

I agree. I remember when skim milk and margarine were supposed to be good for you. Beans and peas already exist, are cheap, store forever, and can be used in so many different ways. Fake meat feels like an overly complicated way to solve a problem that's already solved, with the added bonus that they could cause horrific health problems that won't be identified for decades.

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Processed food isn't bad for you.. GMOs aren't bad for you.. that's the propaganda farmers use to keep you from making common sense choices.

"Processed" is anything that goes into a machine. You want your beef ground up? It's now processed. What's added in the processing is what you need to isolate and be weary of.

"Genetically Modified Organisms" includes bananas which have been selectively cultivated to provide more nutrition and reduce seed sizes. It's a result of intelligent agricultural practices to maximize food production and minimize inedible waste.

Plant based meat has been an incredible substitution for meat making it cruelty free without compromising much on taste or texture, if at all.

Lab grown is the next step, making genuine meat without slaughtering animals. I'm not aligned with PETA but I think an ideal future is one where we don't need to kill sentient life in order to have exactly what we do right now.

You can have your own opinion but at the very least be aware of the origin of your bias.

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[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We've done SO much selective breeding to make our food hardier and more plentiful, that we now have so much that we're complaining about it not being pretty enough, or that the tomato that grows three fruits a year is slightly less tasty than the plant that might produce one, or not.

Honestly, it's a great time to be alive to eat stuff we couldn't even imagine a century ago.

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[–] coffeetastesbadlikecoffee@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I watched a video (no source) on this stuff a while back and it compared the carbon footprint of plant based diets, meat alternatives and meat and came to the conclusion that the current way lab grown meat (not plant protein shaped like meat like planted, beyond etc) of the kind that article means can actually be more carbon intensive to produce than factory farmed chicken. (The least carbon intense meat). That said it is still better than free range beef, but one should consider the reason why one buys this. Vegans seem to not like it either because it resembles meat or because it contains the cells harvested from real animals and meat eaters don't like it because its not real meat, not to mention it's insanely expensive, just eat the plant protein, its not that bad lol. (Also put on a linear scale the carbon footprint of beef compared to plant based protein and fake meat is insane, thinking about that video alwqys makes me eat less meat)

That's partly because they fail to market it well. Meat alternatives never taste the same. Trying to replace beef or pork or chicken will always fail to entice people that already enjoy meat.

It's better described as a new meat with new recipe/cooking requirements. You wouldn't complain about how much the assumed pork ribs didn't taste right if I told you they were beef ribs. You'd agree, because you wouldn't expect them to taste the same.

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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago

I would absolutely eat this if it was the same price, or even slightly more expensive, than equivalent beef.

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