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[–] [email protected] 95 points 6 days ago (6 children)

This actually makes sense, once you understand what their problem is with communism.

You see, they have no problem with all the benefits that communism offers... What bothers them is the idea that those benefits would be given to people who haven't earned it.

Heaven, to them, is a reward. Only the pure, the righteous, the faithful get to enjoy its benefits. Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

A heaven for everyone, with no walls, no gates, no pitiful outcasts scrabbling to get in... That's no heaven at all.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (4 children)

You’re not wrong about the reward being earned. That’s definitely the unspoken part of it.

When I grew up religious, the conversion was that communism was a bastardization of god’s plan, so it’s inherently evil. Basically, it cannot be as pure and perfect with men in charge so it will fail every time.

You’d think they’d want to try and be more like their god and his plan for their heaven but they just reject it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

They believe that only God can be the one to create paradise on earth. A primary pillar of their faith requires earth to be in a constant state of suffering until then.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

...therefore we must create as much suffering and horror as we can in the world.

you know, to get into heaven.

love these "people". love sharing a world with them.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Heaven only works for them if they imagine that they will be able to look down and see hell.

See, this is the part I can't get behind. An eternity of that disparity with even the smallest scrap of empathy would eventually be unending torment. Every day is just more "oh yeah, hell is a thing and I can't do anything about it..."

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Fr, I knew for fact that there was something deeply fucked up about "The Good Place" in the TV show bearing the same name when Janet played Eleanor a short clip of sound from the Bad Place.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Right wing politics can be summed up as: Exclusive & Sadism

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

If working all your life for a regime does not earn you the benefits of that regime, I don't know what will in their minds

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Me listening to tankies describe communism as a moneyless, stateless, classless world, then criticise anarchism

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 6 days ago (4 children)

When I was fairly young my mom described Christian heaven. I remember struggling with the idea of not struggling and being happy all the time. Then she hit me with if someone you love doesn't make it to heaven you forget them. That's when the fracture began for me.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Basically heaven is a mindfuck.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago

It really is. It's not even a pleasant thought experiment.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Its not that you forget the person. You gain a perfect understanding of the situation. Like when your child has to go to jail for some crimes they committed. You may be sad they went to jail, then understand why they went to jail, then agree it was right that they were put in jail.

Not a perfect analogy, but something like that.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

So we join with the God-mind in order to understand why the person we previously loved isn't worthy of love after all...

Jim from the Office looks uncomfortable

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (15 children)

To be fair, the heaven of the Bible is neither stateless nor classless. "The nations" are still present in Revelation 21 and 22, and inequality in heaven is a common theme in Jesus's parables.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"The nations" is just fancy for "non Jews". Remember that the bible predates modern nation states by more than a millennium.

inequality in heaven is a common theme in Jesus's parables.

Is that so? I can think of the story with the lamps where it's about getting into the kingdom of god or the treasure in the field where it's about finding the kingdom of god. Or that the poor will inherit the kingdom of god while rich people cannot get into it. Nothing about inequality inside the kingdom of god.

You have to keep in mind that the kingdom of god isn't really heaven as we think of it even tho Matthew uses the wording kingdom of heaven (to avoid the word god as a good jew). We think of heaven as life after death but the kingdom of god is on earth when Jesus returns and the dead arise and he builds his kingdom here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

"Least"/"Greatest" in "the kingdom of heaven" is a construction that appears at least once off the top of my head, Matthew 5:19. I'm sure there are more. But also, Jesus is depicted as a literal monarch and heaven a kingdom like you said, so there's at least one extra class right there.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There’s also 11 classes of angels in a ladder system under Jesus. My boys Metatron and Enoch up top if I’m not mistaken.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Can we just have tiny villages where we tell ghost stories and just all contribute to each other's well being?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

What if heaven is just whatever you need heaven to be? Like, what if it's just a temporary state of affairs? You enter Heaven, and it is exactly what you need to be at peace with your death and your life before that. Then, when you're ready, after however much time you need, you can decide to move on and stop existing, or send your soul to be reincarnated.

[–] Charzard4261 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

This is similar to what Rick Riordan (author of Percy Jackson) suggests in one of his other works - that the afterlife is simply whatever you believe it to be. It's pretty comforting imo.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

The gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that’s where they believe, in their deepest heart, that they deserve to go. Which they won’t do if they don’t know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I asked one “so when do I actually die?” and they couldn’t comprehend that I didn’t want to exist forever

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Heaven is an autocratic police state though

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Yup. The common answer to "why does evil exist" is that humans have free will.

Therefore it follows that if there is no sin in heaven, there is also no free will.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (10 children)

I’ve come to the conclusion that Christians that vote republic just dissociate their “church” brain vs their non “church” brain. Their religious beliefs ONLY apply to religious things. Everything else just goes to whatever their true value system is.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't think most religious people have any beliefs, they just roll with whatever stances are currently popular amongst their peers. If a large enough number of their peers say their god says slavery is valid, then they will say slavery is valid, or a million other horrible things

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Funny you mentioned this.

Apparently feeding school kids for free was controversial (and still is controversial).

And I watched a fellow parent on Facebook post an event about bake sales to raise money, to immediately sharing talking points about why it's bad for kids to get free school lunches.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Problem is real world communism always ends up as authoritarian dictatorships.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago

it's almost like American imperialism has made sure that any attempt has failed by economic and military disruption and injecting dictators with the goal of dissuading others from trying.

the second there's a success story western capitalism becomes unnecessary and a better system comes into view.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Do we have to censor the word communism now?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Self censor so hot right now!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago

If i could take a moment to cite the opening to the lords prayer:

Our Father who art in heaven,

hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done

on earth as it is in heaven.

The ability to make one being a christian not by default be a socialist as well is a continuous theological labor for the capitalist

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

I was going to upvote but you were right at 666 so I couldn't bring myself to

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Meh, all I remember of what the Bible says of heaven is it will be none stop worshipping of god. Like hillsong forever or something.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

It's only "communism" if the equality goes to individuals outside of your group. If your group gets the benefits, well, that's because you're awesome and you deserve it; but fuck those other guys.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Heaven is described as being populated by perfected people, not by their own doing.. The world we live in is populated by selfish people primarily. Hell even toddlers are selfish. It's a redefinition of human nature. Whether or not it's a fantasy, it would actually make it work flawlessly.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know that's not your point, I just want to point out that toddlers aren't selfish as much as they just haven't developed empathy yet, as a sense of empathy usually only develops after the 4th birthday. The golden rule just doesn't work for toddlers, they can't put themselves in someone else's shoes and imagine how they feel. There's a riddle/test with a doll and a closet that illustrates this well.

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