this post was submitted on 28 Jun 2023
6 points (100.0% liked)

PC Gaming

78 readers
1 users here now

Discuss Games, Hardware and News on PC Gaming **Discord** https://discord.gg/4bxJgkY **Mastodon** https://cupoftea.social **Donate** https://ko-fi.com/cupofteasocial **Wiki** https://www.pcgamingwiki.com

founded 1 year ago
 

Nvidia’s leaked roadmap suggests it’ll break its usual two year release cadence and release the RTX 5000 series in 2025, not 2024 as was anticipated.

top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For that reasn I'm going to buy a 4060 and upgrade in 3 years so I can have AV1 encoding plus playing some older games so buy the cheapest now and then see how 50 series performs for the price.

Watch for a potential Super series release in 6 months with more memory on each one.

There's been no talk if the 5000 will have cheaper release pricing since the 4000 can't sell.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem with the 40xx cards isnt just the memory amount but also their memory bus, which is extremely limited. Nvidia is using an increased cache as a way of countering the limited memory bandwidth and that can work in some scenarios but not always.

And while you can maybe increase the ram on some of these cards, you cant increase their memory bus without completely redesigning the card.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes the 128-bit does hurt it, if that is what you are referencing. Also, both companies are hindering the bottom end with the x8 limitation instead of x16.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nvidia seems committed to their awful pricing and they're raking in the money via enterprise AI nonsense, so I'd expect no price change.

Not to mention that you're still just buying their latest card so the strategy is working after all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nvidia seems committed to their awful pricing and they're raking in the money via enterprise AI nonsense

I think that they're engaging in market segmentation. The AI guys need a lot of VRAM, and so Nvidia refrains from bumping VRAM on gaming cards, and charges an arm and a leg for the high-VRAM cards to extract more money from the people and companies doing AI work. That lets them capture both the gaming market at a lower price and the AI market at a higher price.

Because of that segmentation, I don't actually think that selling at a high price to the the AI market requires charging a lot for gaming cards.

Ordinarily, absent formation of a cartel to collude to keep prices high, competition would prevent that -- if a competitor could sell cards more-cheaply they can do so and take the marketshare, but AMD is presently playing catch-up in the AI field, so for now, Nvidia has a pretty free hand, as they're the only game in town for many.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm still on a GTX card, no RTX, I want AV1 encoding, Intel Arc sucks for DX11 games, and 7600 is usually behind 4060, only a few game titles can the 7600 match it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 4060 isn't out yet and hasn't had independent benchmarks reported on yet, so I'm not sure how you can say how it compares to the 7600. Unless you meant the 4060 Ti? But that card costs $200 more than a 7600, so it's not really comparable.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a lot of review videos on YouTube released today of the 4060 for retail release tomorrow. The 3rd party review embargo lifted today.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ah yeah, I see them now. I don't think they had been published when I responded earlier.

But yeesh, those benchmarks are pretty terrible for the price, at least if you're looking for an apples-to-apples comparison without frame generation. Might as well save the 50 bucks and go with the 7600, since the average performance difference percentage is only in the single digits.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I also have a mild interest in raytracing performance for 2 older games, nothing like Cyberpunk level of demand. The 7600 is not at the same level for raytracing as 4060.

Also for AVI encoding it seems programs like OBS have better support for nVidia encoding.

I could try Intel but I do require native DX11 support and Intel is not an opton for that.

load more comments
view more: next ›