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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I can finally stop calling it GNU/Linux.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Oh good God, Linux is finally old enough to start rusting?! And on BOTH ENDS?

vigorously shakes can of WD-40

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's extremely unexpected.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The GNU utils weren't written by Canonical so they were doomed from the start.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Not to worry, they'll ship 'em via snap.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

More likely they will make them dependent on snap so you can't remove snap without breaking the system.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Wait is this their way to break compatibility with old binaries so that you're forced to use snap?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

They're steadily climbing the test suit:

test coverage

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

The uutils should be compatible so I don't think so

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Check out our new Coreutils! (Snap required)

Seriously though I'm just imagining that Coreutils are now going to be dependent on snap.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

I don't think so unless they make their own rust core utils.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Is there any actual benefit ?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Code written in Rust has been shown to have significantly fewer security vulnerabilities than code written in C. Distributions like Ubuntu ship a lot of security updates, so by switching to Rust-based utils, they can reduce their workload in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

Ubuntu ship a lot of security updates

After introducing the Pro I don't think so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

But looking at the security vulnerability records of gnu coreutils that wasn't really needed. There were like a handful in the last 15 years... So I don't really see a need or benefit here.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (16 children)

It's been proven faster. That's all I personally know.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Just security and hype afaik.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well the rust project is MIT licensed, so definitely not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I thought MIT licensing was a good thing?? What am i missing??

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The success of FOSS can in large part be attributed to copyleft licenses like the GPL. Without the protections of copyleft clauses, software just gets exploited by large corporations and end users are locked out. For just one example, if GNU software had used MIT, the entire free router movement (i.e ddwrt, openwrt and co.) would probably not exist today.

See: Free Software Foundation, Inc. v. Cisco Systems, Inc..

Edit: actually, I think by the time of this specific lawsuit, the sources for wrt54g were already released after community pressure, this article details the history a bit better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

In large part it's a matter of opinions and different perspectives. A common consensus is libraries should be MIT and entire applications should be GPL. However, this is not held by all community members.

Overall, Rust is easier to read and harder to fuck up, so there's one argument in favour if it, in terms of community engagement. For an example of this, compare ls.c by Apple, GNU, FreeBSd and OpenBSD.

On the other hand, I should imagine most people simply install ripgrep and fd anyway.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Rust is good, rare Ubuntu W. Now stop with the forced use of snaps.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

You think this is a win, but is just another step in the enshittification.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What about licences and FOSS?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

According to the video it's MIT licence, and they discuss the risk of such a licence vs coreutils usage of the GPL

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

This worries me indeed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Archlinux usually is a bit more reasonable. I don’t understand the forcing. Just makes me love it (archlinux) more!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

This is the Linux community's Sophie's choice.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Literally why? Not even criticizing rust but the GNU core utils are easily some of the most reliable and documented software tools ever written.

Not to mention, looks like the rust core utils are MIT and not GPL.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Literally why?

Because MIT?

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