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[–] [email protected] 25 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Sounds like another way of saying "there actually isn't a profitable business in this."

But since we live in crazy world, once he gets his exemption to copyright laws for AI, someone needs to come up with a good self hosted AI toolset that makes it legal for the average person to pirate stuff at scale as well.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

It's so wild how laws just have no idea what to do with you if you just add one layer of proxy. "Nooo I'm not stealing and plagerizing, it's the AI doing it!"

[–] [email protected] 14 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (12 children)

I hope generative AI obliterates copyright. I hope that its destruction is so thorough that we either forget it ever existed or we talk about it in disgust as something that only existed in stupider times.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I don’t think they’re wrong in saying that if they aren’t allowed to train on copyrighted works then they will fall behind. Maybe I missed it in the article, but Japan for example has that exact law (use of copyright to train generative AI is allowed).

Personally I think we need to give them somewhat of an out by letting them do it but then taxing the fuck out of the resulting product. “You can use copyrighted works for training but then 50% of your profits are taxed”. Basically a recognition that the sum of all copyrighted works is a societal good and not just an individual copyright holders.

https://jackson.dev/post/generative-ai-and-copyright/

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If training an ai on copyrighted material is fair use, then piracy is archiving

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Look we may have driven Aaron Swartz to suicide for doing basically the same thing on a smaller scale, but dammit we are getting very rich of this. And, if we are getting rich, then it is okay to break the law while actively fucking over actually creative people. Trust us. We are tech bros and we know what is best for you is for us to become incredibly rich and out of touch. You need us.

[–] AnAmericanPotato 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In case anyone is unfamiliar, Aaron Swartz downloaded a bunch of academic journals from JSTOR. This wasn't for training AI, though. Swartz was an advocate for open access to scientific knowledge. Many papers are "open access" and yet are not readily available to the public.

Much of what he downloaded was open-access, and he had legitimate access to the system via his university affiliation. The entire case was a sham. They charged him with wire fraud, unauthorized access to a computer system, breaking and entering, and a host of other trumped-up charges, because he...opened an unlocked closet door and used an ethernet jack from there. The fucking Secret Service was involved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz#Arrest_and_prosecution

The federal prosecution involved what was characterized by numerous critics (such as former Nixon White House counsel John Dean) as an "overcharging" 13-count indictment and "overzealous", "Nixonian" prosecution for alleged computer crimes, brought by then U.S. Attorney for Massachusetts Carmen Ortiz.

Nothing Swartz did is anywhere close to the abuse by OpenAI, Meta, etc., who openly admit they pirated all their shit.

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[–] Horrabin 6 points 13 hours ago

This sounds like socialism is good for capitalists

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

yeah thats crazy

[–] [email protected] 52 points 20 hours ago (10 children)

That's like calling stealing from shops essential for my existence and it would be "over" for me if they stop me. The shit these clowns say is just astounding. It's like they have no morals and no self awareness and awareness for people around them.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 22 hours ago (14 children)

Sam Altman is a grifter, but on this topic he is right.

The reality is, that IP laws in their current form hamper innovation and technological development. Stephan Kinsella has written on this topic for the past 25 years or so and has argued to reform the system.

Here in the Netherlands, we know that it's true. Philips became a great company because they could produce lightbulbs here, which were patented in the UK. We also had a booming margarine business, because we weren't respecting British and French patents and that business laid the foundation for what became Unilever.

And now China is using those exact same tactics to build up their industry. And it gives them a huge competitive advantage.

A good reform would be to revert back to the way copyright and patent law were originally developed, with much shorter terms and requiring a significant fee for a one time extension.

The current terms, lobbied by Disney, are way too restrictive.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago

I need a seamstress AI to take over 10 million seamstress robots so I don't have to pay 100million seamstresses for fruit of the loom underwear.... Could you tech it how to do double well and then back up at each end with some zigzags? For free? I mean everyone knows zigzag!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Good riddance. This version of AI is just a glorified search engine anyways

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Then perish, OpenAI. If your only innovation is a legal loophole then you did nothing.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Technofascism on its way to legalize my 30TB trove of backups

[–] [email protected] 74 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Good if AI fails because it can't abuse copyright. Fuck AI.

*except the stuff used for science that isn't trained on copyrighted scraped data, that use is fine

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

National security my ass. More like his time span to show more dumb "achievements" while getting richer depends on it and nothing else

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago

So all I need to do if I get caught torrenting a movie is say that im training an LLM for subtitles?

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