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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] [email protected] 251 points 3 days ago (11 children)

As usual, Trump is projecting. Someone is "gambling with WWIII," but it sure ain't Zelenskyy.

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[–] 0101100101 38 points 2 days ago

This is what happens when Trump doesn't get his way and he throws his toys out of the pram.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"Democracy dies on live TV" - wow that headline hits hard.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It says Diplomacy, but both are fitting actually

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[–] [email protected] 118 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Finally a f**king actual headline. That was a disaster and a disgrace for all Americans. I can’t take these meek be “explosive White House meeting, where maybe Trump was possibly speaking angrily, but please Mr. Trump don’t sue us, if you disagree!”

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[–] [email protected] 175 points 3 days ago (7 children)

CIA used to kill presidents for less. Sometimes American ones too.

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[–] [email protected] 134 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I don't know exactly how to put this, but I feel personally embarrassed by this.

I think this is going to shift world order more than expected. Every country now must be nuclear. Trump is going to try to install himself as a dictator. I think violence will have to be the answer. Man it's depressing.

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[–] [email protected] 187 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Shows his worst self

His honest self

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If the Europe had any sense of self respect the US embassies would be closing everywhere right now just like the russian ones.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Trump sucks, I hope Ukraine wins,and I hope Putin is judged by history for his aggression and the general incompetence of his government.

But very few Russian embassies were ever closed, and rightly so. Some were downsized and suspected spies were given the boot. If Europe wants to do that with Americans, yeah smart.

Outright closing embassies would be a massive misstep, completely (edit: unwarranted, I mean) warranted, and miss the entire point of diplomacy.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think "tried to bully Zelensky" would have been a little more accurate. Of course Trump and Vance failed at that too. All they're good at is manipulating the most stupid people on the planet. If I was morally depraved, I bet I could do it pretty easily too.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago

That was painful to watch. Trump and Vence were pathetic and the end rambling about Biden, laptop, wtf was that? If Kamala did then same they would have taken her by force to a mental institution.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I just can't understand why Vance would interpret Zelenskyy as being disrespectful for politely, calmly, and carefully articulating his point of view on how diplomacy has failed him and his country. Vance seems like the type of person I would basically laugh at and walk away from if I were in a situation to have to hear him be "alpha and in-charge".

It was like watching a scene from an episode of a reality TV show from the early 2000s.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because they went in wanting to find a way to make Zelenskyy seem unreasonable. They have no intention of helping Ukraine at all and now it's going to be because he didn't immediately kiss Trumps feet.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

"Peace deal" means surrender now, don't join NATO, and get invaded again in a few years.

TBH idk how Zelenskyy thought things would go any differently.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I doubt he thought it would go differently. But he did an amazing job showing the world how utterly depraved Trump and Vance are. There can be no question now that they are Putin stooges. The United States lost the cold war, Putin won without firing a single bullet. It is out in the open.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, we're going to have to make friends with Iran to make our membership in the Axis of Evil official.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Good job America! Proud of y’all for once again standing up for your values of oppression and greed.

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[–] [email protected] 128 points 3 days ago (17 children)

Real Art of The Deal shit.

Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (6 children)

It would be wildly illegal for me to say what I think of, and wish for, both Trump and Vance, but I'm still gonna quietly pray to whoever is listening that it happens.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I'm ready to protest this shit. Tell me when and where to show up, my local big city or state capital. This is some bullshit. Trump and Vance are egotistical dickheads. Ukraine are our allies! Imagine George Washington doing this with Marquis de Lafayette, or FDR with Churchill!! Unspeakable!

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 days ago (1 children)

god maga folk are the most unamerican beyond belief. The whole greatest generation is rolling over in their graves.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (21 children)

Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives. We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen. Trump and his cult would side with Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.

Great fucking job.

And great fucking job, Mods, for protecting those fucks in the name of civility.

We are the baddies now. And we got here because you'd rather protect Nazis from being punched in the mouth for their words and actions in the name of civility.

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