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Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.

He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.

Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.

Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Stop giving this foolishness air.

Make preparations on the side. But Stop giving it public attention.

also understand that Canada would never be a state. It would be a generation or two of Forceful and violent assimilation before any region was given "statehood". For everyone else, it's poverty, military occupation, and slavery. Which would mean Insurgency and War.

Any Canadian advocating for this is either terminally online and uneducated, living life off article title opinions. Or they are functionally a traitor/quisling/5th columnist and a threat to their neighbors, and should kept an eye of. And if things really did go "there". they'd be the ones taken out first by resistance.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dementia is a persnickety business

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

and it is his cherished state

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

He can’t even cherish California, what makes anyone believe him?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why would Canada join the US, only to be rewarded with a shitty health care system and a low national minimum wage?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Elon Musk and the nazi sad boys will just dig up cases, where chain smokers having lung cancer getting treatment, etc. In Hungary, some try to divert the anger created by the constant defunding of healthcare (some of which was done by diverting money into building football stadiums "to encourage children to do sports thus be healthy") to the sick and the disabled...

[–] [email protected] 220 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (37 children)

Most of us would rather die than ever become an American. Want a good example of the mood in Canada summed up against our 'ally to the south' as of late? Well let me just personally put it this way. You, the United States, are a fucking joke.

To quote an author, Stephen Marche, who spoke on the CBC here in Canada recently... The bold is mine but the emphasis really should be placed there anyway.

They've [The US] come off of 70 years of failed wars of occuption. One thing you have to understand about these comments is that they come from a profound weakness that America is really unfamiliar with. And Canada is unfamiliar with America being this weak. They can't hold Baghdad, I'm not sure why they think they can hold Montreal. But they're also being kicked out of Niger and you know they are weaker than they've ever been in a lot of ways. They are extremely fragile as a country. They have absolutely no solidarity, they have absolutely no unity. They are in the middle of dismantling their administrative state and war is a is a test, fundamentally, of the strength of the administrative state. So I think you should take this about as seriously as you would take the ramblings of a crack addict on the subway. I.e, you pay attention to it and get out of the way and you do what you can but, you know, this is not something to be treated like an actual... this is not something to be thought about. It's just the ramblings of lunacy.

[...]

I think he's [Trump] actually managed to make Canadians patriotic for the first time since I can remember. You have to say, he's the president of the United States but the United States is crumbling. Institutions are falling apart and 'Who the United States is at this moment'... that's not a meaningful phrase. You have to ask yourself which America are you talking about, which institutions are you talking about, because they are not under the guidance of anyone, right?

[...]

All he [Trump] can do is destroy. The American stock market is falling, even the threat of this [tarrifs on Canadian goods] has caused inflation to raise it's head. The American people fired everyone who has caused gas prices to rise almost immediately. They can tolerate almost anything from their political class. War crimes, whatever, but increase gas prices they go crazy for. So it's just very important to understand that this is spoken from a position of profound weakness.

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America has never been an uglier place to become a part of. I mean who would wanna be American at this point in history. They're about to start killing each other. There is no question that there is a Canadian rejection of American values, the American government and Amreica itself. Why wouldn't you reject these people? They're awful.

Watch it for yourself here.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What a deservedly scathing review of the US of A.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

And of most of the people. That "Why wouldn't you reject these people. They're awful." line is based on the fact that a majority of Americans allowed Trump to become elected. Either through actively voting for him or whatever excuse they want to use for not voting at all against outright fascism. First time he was elected an argument could be made that the people who didn't vote or who voted for him were misled. At this point? It just became abundantly clear that our neighbors to the south genuinely don't seem to care about anything or harbor a deep amount of hatred or ignorance within themselves.

Review should have gone a bit harder in my opinion. It isn't just the government or the country itself that is an embarassment. Most of the people are too.

And let me be abundantly clear. If whoever is reading this voted for anyone other than Kamala, or did not vote at all, yes. You're the awful people we're talking about. You should really hate yourself as much as we hate you.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As George Carlin said, selfish ignorant people elect selfish ignorant leaders.

Personally, talking to anyone about politics here is unnerving. Most people are in this fog where current events are only an ephemeral storyline that they tune into periodically like it's a TV drama. Never a big deal, never anything that could affect them or those they care for. It's a position of privilege, frankly. Maybe some of them are just that dumb. I think a lot of people, though, are scared, either of their ignorance or their powerlessness, so they simply avoid being involved or educated out of discomfort. That's probably the nicest interpretation I have for my countrymen's behavior.

Otherwise you are spot on. The uniquely tasteless brand of brash American chauvinism that we were globally lampooned for during the Invasion of Iraq has metastasized. We are long overdue for being knocked down a peg. I wish I could say the fallout from this painful reckoning would stay within our borders, but it most likely won't. We have a very uncertain year ahead of us, let alone the next five years.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I think he seriously under-estimates how many Americans will side with Canada, with force.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (7 children)

He also hasn't considered the destruction that 30 million occupied dissidents (from a country known for their prolific war crimes) can unleash on their oppressor.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Live close to the border. If I see Canadian tanks rolling through my town, I'm throwing them flowers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Same. If I see US tanks rolling towards Canada, I'm throwing drones at them.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I can imagine we'd end up with a bigger army than the US if Canadian service guaranteed citizenship

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

I unapologetically woke up this morning hoping to read that someone took a successful shot at him during the Superbowl.

Put me on whatever list you wish.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 days ago

He doesn’t treat his own states any good why would Canada fare any better

[–] [email protected] 61 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Hey, uh, if he wants another state…

What about Puerto Rico?

I'd love to hear the excuse against that vs. Greenland and Canada.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago

They're not even hiding the racism any more.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Theres a reason why he isn't making the same threats against Mexico.

There's a reason he wants to resettle Palestinians before redeveloping Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Canada can make sure that Democrats win the election from then on

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What's in it for Canada? Expensive ineffective healthcare? Why would they go for this?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Reduced quality of life? Greater danger of being shot in a school? Shorter life expectancy? Lower quality food? And imperial president instead of a democratic one?

I'm not seeing the upsides for Canada.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought conservatives couldn’t afford eggs?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This man shits worthless click bait out of his mouth daily, why does media fall for it?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Fall for it? They're grateful he's made their job insanely easy. They used yo have to investigate things and then risk running afoul of the powerful. Now they just have to print whatever the latest outrageous bullshit comes out of Donald's mouth and reap the clicks and ad dollars.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

When the leader of the world's largest superpower dreams of Anschluss of their otherwise allied neighbour, that's not clickbait, it's the state of international policy and diplomacy with the leader the US elected.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

He's too busy banning paper straws and taking away his enemies security clearances to annex Canada.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This plan leaves out the fact that the majority of Canadians don't want to join. They may have their challenges right now, but there are some things they aren't willing to give up, like nationalized health care and national identity. I suspect many Canadians will fight to the death over this, the same way Americans would fight if forced to join Canada. They are our neighbors and that's about as close as people want to get.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The 51st state? Hard pass. Canada’s healthcare system alone would collapse under the weight of your insulin price gouging. Cherished state? More like a hostile takeover by a country that thinks avocado toast is a personality trait.

Those 25% tariffs? Cute. We survived your 2018 tantrum—maple syrup exports outlived your presidency. Funny how “trade imbalances” vanish when your golf resorts rely on Canadian lumber.

Defense spending critiques from a guy who tried to lease Alaska back to Russia? Bold move. Our border’s secure enough to keep your conspiracy theorists from storming Parliament Hill.

Stay mad about the poutine tariffs, though.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

One thing I despise about the US (gun violence and healthcare inequitability aside) is how it measures the value of everything in money.

It's culture is a commodification machine. Nothing can just be beautiful for the sake of being beautiful, it has to be made into a side hustle somehow.

Most Americans are married to their jobs and have little work life balance relative to Canadians and Europeans.

There is a remarkable amount of mental gymnastics done by people trying to gaslight themselves into thinking this is what they want, even though most would be happier and healthier with more time off.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

An invasion of Canada would result in so many Americans defecting and fighting for Canada or not cooperating and probably a Civil War when the west coast states (and possibly New England) secede. I imagine the military leadership would sooner stage a coup than cooperate and invade/occupy Canada. Plus, the entire world would side with Canada.

It’s the ramblings of a senile buffoon. There’s absolutely no one else calling for this (or invading Greenland/Panama) and no support from 80% of Americans — and close to 100% with people of fighting age. Even most MAGA idiots are isolationists.

And don’t forget, basically every major U.S. city is extremely blue. When you look at a red state/blue state map, remember that it’s actually an urban/rural divide. Port cities are especially blue. (Look at Louisiana for an example. A deep red state but Orleans Parish went 82% for Harris/Walz. Good luck winning any war with 90% of the port cities in full revolt.)

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[–] [email protected] 86 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Cherished my ass. You've done nothing but disrespect them since you were elected. The only thing you want is their resources so you can hoard a few 100 mil before you kick the bucket in a few years. Which I find completely ridiculous because it's not like you get to take money into the afterlife, if there even is one.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He's currently trying to get a 51st state (Canada would need to be at least 6 or more, in all honesty), but it looks like he's at risk of losing some states from where I'm sitting.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only way Canada would join the union would be as an occupied territory, and we would do everything possible to fuck shit up from within.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

If he tried to invade Canada, I think he’d quickly be fighting a war on two fronts, because sane Americans like myself and others that are organizing aren’t going to just let that happen. Hopefully, if half our military hasn’t lost their minds too, they’ll join us.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

At this point I refuse to believe this is real life. We are in a simulation run by shitty AI

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

not the "I have no mouth and I must scream" future, just the "I have a mouth and I must groan" present

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Anyone making “thanks trump” stickers for when our gas prices go through the roof and stick it at gas stations like they did with Biden

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'm amazed at how quickly the US has come close to being on the brink of becoming a rogue state.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I'm so tired of this shit.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

How would a whole country be a single state? Wouldn't it become 13 states (or however many provinces/territories Canada has)?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

No no, that would give too many senators to people who understand the value of universal healthcare. Can’t have that.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Giving them more than two senators might lead to a senate that isn't perpetually gridlocked. That makes them dangerously close to being able to pass progressive legislation instead of nothing but mandatory funding bills with 37 pages worth of riders and pork.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

If I have to fight for my country and defend it, then I'll happily do so.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago (26 children)

This is going to be the weirdest part of any history book. People reading and trying to understand why the US suddenly turned on and invaded their close ally of Canada in a failed annexation attempt immediately after watching Russia struggle a similar (though less surprising) annexation of Ukraine, which the US helped fight against.

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