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[–] [email protected] 1 points 26 minutes ago

E2E encryption is still available in the US for now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the government forces that to change soon.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

Politicians still don’t know how E2E encryption works (and/or they don’t care)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 hours ago

they don't think they'll ever encounter consequences themselves

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm pretty sure they fully understand how it works.

They simply expect tech to roll over when commanded, and in this case, it does indeed look like Apple is going to do exactly that.

[–] fuzzzerd 1 points 23 minutes ago

The article says Apple is opposed. Additionally, they've already offered E2E backups, but you had to opt in. Well know they've capitulated if/when they remove that option.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 minute ago) (1 children)

I had thought that 5+ years ago, Google, Apple, Meta, etc. all created "master" private keys that would allow them to unencrypt users' data. At the time, the argument used was to combat CSA material/trafficking. I could be wrong, though. I'll try looking it up later.

Edit:

I did a quick search while on break at work.

Apple claims they have no master key and do not allow governments direct access to their servers. They only provide data when legally required to;

https://www.apple.com/privacy/government-information-requests/

Google claims the same thing.

As for Meta, I could only find anecdotal Reddit posts that seem to somewhat contradict the E2EE claims from Meta, as an example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1g6tqg7/meta_ai_scanning_private_conversations/

https://www.reddit.com/r/facebook/comments/1al9dk9/messenger_has_access_to_the_endtoend_encrypted/

So it seems that Meta is likely scanning content before the encryption takes place. So they can still claim that messages are indeed E2EE, but that's useless when their AI tools are still scanning the content beforehand.

There's also this recent development:

https://www.medianama.com/2024/03/223-meta-end-to-end-encryption-europe-interoperability-2/

In spite of these processes, Meta has concerns. The blog post said, “Without ownership of both clients (endpoints) we cannot guarantee what a third-party provider does with sent or received messages” and thus cannot assure that messages are safely encrypted and protected. Further they said that with interoperability they would “lose connection level signals that are important for keeping users safe from spam and scams such as TCP fingerprints.”

Finally, Meta said that having a intermediary between third party provider and a Meta server could expose the “chat metadata to the proxy server, which increases the likelihood that this data could be accidentally or intentionally leaked.”

Tldr; I wouldn't trust Meta's E2EE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 46 minutes ago

Would like to know that!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

God I fucking hate our government

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago

Sad how in 2025 this applies to pretty much every country

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

In response to the order, Apple is expected to simply stop offering Advanced Data Protection in the UK. This wouldn’t meet the UK’s demand for access to files shared by global users, however.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago) (2 children)

~~"EU orders Apple to let anything in to the AppStore"~~

~~Androiders: Yeah! Open that shit up! Stupid Apple!~~

~~"EU orders encryption back door"~~

~~Androiders: . . . Not like that!~~

[–] [email protected] 3 points 27 minutes ago (1 children)

UK isn't part of the European Union.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 minutes ago

I . . . I knew that. I was just . . testing everyone.

Uh, congratulations, . . y- you all did very well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 30 minutes ago (1 children)

Are you mentally challenged?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 minutes ago

Apparently yes.

Apologies. Withdrawn.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Only possible as iOS fails to include a libre software license text file. We do not control it, anti-libre software.