Damn leftist, they ruined leftism!
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I'm a species-specific eater. I don't eat beef or pork because I like pigs and cows they are adorable and I wish them all the best.
I do eat lamb, because sheep are idiots and I got kicked by one as a child. For similar reason, I would also eat horse if it was commercially available.
Chickens would eat me if our sizes were reversed so they are fair game too. If you didn't want to get farmed you shoulda stayed T-Rex sized.
I eat mushrooms, but I am a little apprehensive about it because I know they are smarter than humans
I was about to disagree with you, but then I realized that some humans are certainly dumber than a mushroom
Some? Around a third I would say.
I've heard goats are like mushrooms 👍
horse is good eating. good for the climate too, since horses require so much maintenance. if we eat'em, they're gone.
How about gooses or ducks? Or deer? Or rabbits? I'm strangely intrigued.
I have no quarrel with these animals
You have never been close to a goose than.
Never been close to a tiger either.
Valid comparison.
Nothing worse to people on Lemmy than another person with a SLIGHTLY different world view.
The only thing worse than a heathen is a heretic!
The People's Front Of Judea
SPLITTERS!
Not just Lemmy sadly
Don't act like you know... youre views are vastly inferior to mine.
A different worldview? In THIS economy??
Based meme. The left is fucked
Only if we don't change, and that includes you and me
I believe both sides are fucked on a similar level here
To be clear, I believe vegan/vegetarian is the morally correct position even though I do eat meat. My point is that if we worked together we could cause more good in the world than we do by fighting.
The vegan communities, in my experience, are pretty spiky. Even amongst vegans there's a huge rift, like they're competing on whose version is most ethical. It's turned me off actually interacting with them as I find my own balance of reducing suffering into this world.
I think it's a general issue of any community that's organized around a belief and/or got ousted by society for too long I guess. Of course there'll always be people who are like this from the beginning, perhaps due to trauma, bad upbringing, bad education or whatever.
Gotta imagine a militant vegan bible-belt Linux FOSS-Bro… oh my god…
Getting the average omnivore down to the recommended 6-8 ounces of meat per day would make a tremendous difference on its own. I really didn’t know how much excess protein I was consuming until I made some vegan and vegetarian friends.
Woah 200g of meat a day is well sufficient... That is basically my max amount since I pretty much only have meat at dinner and that's more than a chicken breast which is the most amount of meat I'd consume at one time. I do consume quite a bit of dairy though (used to be cheese, but now for dieting reasons it's quark yogurts, milk, etc) and a few eggs, need that protein.
But the rest is all legumes, veggies, nuts, cereals, good carbs, etc. I'd struggle to eat more meat than that even when I didn't give a shit about my diet I think, but now that I do I also cut out all the non lean stuff so that does play a role.
Isn’t the recommended amount a lot lower than 6-8 ounces? It’s like 500g or 5 ounces per week.
Same. People literally can not comprehend that I accept whole heartedly that I believe many of the things that I do and continue to do to be immoral.
Yeah, maybe I love meat too much and I'm too weak. That has absolutely nothing to do with how I establish my moral compass.
I'd like to be a truely good person, but I'll be goddamned if the way I do that is lowering the bar to where I already stand.
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“Our adversaries are the people on the other side of the aisle. Our enemies are right here”
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The rich don't even have to lift a finger to divide the left.
That's called activism purism, I call it activism puritanism. It's, again, a very conservative way of being an activist but somehow appears in leftist groups. But I can't shake the fact that there's limits, anything that feels like a personal choice but impact hugely others, like vaccination.
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And then, to perfectly demonstrate your point: 90% of this comments section!
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Vegan here, bottom left is a very small but sometimes very loud minority.
Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position. You wouldn't say „I personally don't like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“ (being hyperbolic to hammer home the point).
Mostly, a vegan diet is even cheaper than an omnivorous diet and where that might not be the case there's A.) something completely wrong with the agricultural economy and B.) most vegans would agree that these problems need to be solved.
(and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there some political quafaffel about egg prices being too high in the US? (half joke here))
@[email protected] I see the point you're trying to make (and explained in your other comment) but this is an unfair misrepresentation of vegans. I'm sure this is your perception, but it seems your perception is warped and ill informed by said small but loud minority of vegans and also other, usually intentional misrepresentation of vegans by other media.
Edit for the boneheads that rip shit out of context and are just unable of reading a text:
The loud minority is people screaming around that people should rather starve before eating animals. Most vegans usually keep to themselves and if a discussion comes to the topic of veganism explain their point like the normal people they are.
Isn't it a little weird to call vegans who say eating meat is murder a "loud minority", and then explaining why you cannot be a vegan without saying that eating meat is murder (hyperbole or not)?
Is there something in your comment I'm missing, or is this supposed to be some self-aware joke?
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You wouldn’t say „I personally don’t like killing people but I do respect your religious tradition of human sacrifice“
In most cultures killing people is significantly worse than killing animals, so this comparison doesn't really make sense.
The point I'm trying to make is that if vegans and non vegans worked together we could lower the amount of meat we eat and reduce the suffering of animals, even if it's not the perfect goal of zero animal product consumption. And that's something we should all want to work towards.
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Top left is kinda wrong because veganism is a moral position.
You don't see irony here?
You're just said in essence that vegans have a moral high ground in comparison to meat eaters. That's precisely what bottom left represents.
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