I’d like for there to be only one, but it doesn’t matter to me which one that is.
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Exactly. However, since it's possible to subscribe to different instances' communities, the current situation might not be the worst? I still think the should be discussed.
Also it sucks that currently there is almost no activity across all 3 communities, i.e. single-digit posts per day
One of the advantages of federation is that content can be distributed but still accessible, so on the one hand it doesn't really matter that there are three (actually more than that) rust communities on lemmy. On the other hand it can be confusing for newcomers and introduces a discoverability problem.
The factors I'd look at are how reliable is this instance, how well moderated is this instance, and lastly what are the rules of this instance.
On the first point lemmy.ml loses some points. It's heavily trafficed and struggling at the moment under that load. lemmyrs.org on the other hand is pretty new and low volume but so far seems stable. I can't speak to programming.dev because I didn't even know that instance existed until I saw this post.
On the second point I'm not sure there's enough data to go on other than to say that the main reason the quality of moderation matters is because a poorly moderated or controversial instance is likely to be defederated from other instances. While lemmy.ml is a fairly lightly moderated instance its importance as one of the founding and largest instances means it's unlikely to be defederated.
On the third point it seems like lemmyrs.org would have the least friction with the Rust community since it's ostensibly dedicated to said community and therefore should have no reason not to enforce the CoC of the community. I'm not sure what the rules of programming.dev are. lemmy.ml on the other hand has a fairly modest set of site wide rules. The rust communities would be free to enact more restrictive sets of rules however so ultimately as long as the rules of the instance aren't felt to be too restrictive by the community I'm not sure it actually matters.
Ultimately I think what will become the Rust lemmy community will likely come down to whichever one eventually gets the blessing of the larger Rust community. Once it's listed somewhere in the main Rust sites that will then be where everyone will gravitate towards. Until then just subscribe to all of them.
Hi! Creator of https://programming.dev here. I am actually the main mod of /r/experienceddevs and created the instance as a new home for all programming topics. One of the communities I was (am?) most excited about hosting is the Rust community. Along with that I really thought that having a general purpose instance that is easy to type is more ideal than several split communities.
People are more likely to participate if the website is easy to remember and type (e.g. reddit, twitter, facebook) compared to all of these very very hard to remember names (not that lemmyrs.org is hard to remember, but many of the other instances are, and I don't think putting the name of the software in the url is a great idea, but that's neither here nor there).
Finally, I have already put significant work into making sure that even if I no longer want to host or if something happens to me that the community can keep the site running without me! I have numerous admins, a github org, a chat community, we are working on improvements to the server to make it more stable (we rolled out cloudflare today), and hope to commit many upstream changes to lemmy to improve it.
Of course, if any community is going to choose to run their own instance I would expect it to be the Rust community, but also would hope that the community could look at my track record and moderation style and see that programming.dev would be a good instance for them to call home. I frequent the /r/rust sub, even though I am not a rust dev (I've built a few projects, but nothing good), I've always wished I was and I thought this was a good chance to finally become one.
To your points though, I feel like lemmy.ml is not a sustainable instance. From the perspective of 'creating another reddit', if any one instance allows any communities to be created then eventually they will not be able to handle it, which you touch on with your moderation point. !programming.dev is a purpose built instance. It is about programming. You can federate to other instances like normal, but the communities there will always be aimed around programming.
To your second point, I would hope that my /r/experienceddevs community would speak up for me here to how I run communities. I do not tolerate hate, I try to condone proper debate, I allow the people to make the rules (I am no dictator, I simply do what the community wishes...up to a point). I try to be open and honest about what things are happening behind the scenes. And I allow others to lead when they know more than me.
To your final point: rules matter more to the community than to the instance. Currently I have no rules on programming.dev, besides the implicit one that, you know, it's about programming. I expect each community and their moderators to create and enforce rules, almost exactly like Reddit. I'm sure we will create rules over time, but it will be because users came together to create the rules in [email protected], not because I unilaterally wrote some up and forced them on people.
Finally, I would love to have the Rust community come and participate. Help us make the software better. We have the ability to build a great thing here, and with so many programmers in one group, we really can do a good thing for the world.
I'm taking this reply by Dessalines , and the fact that the lemmyrs post is pinned to assume that lemmyrs would be his choice too - although I'm not sure if programming.dev was on the scene then.
Not this one, for sure. lemmy.ml is facing bad performance issues and downtime because of the volume of activity and its hosting provider doesn't allow it to scale easily. Some of the comments on this post aren't federating to other instances because of the load on lemmy.ml (on my instance, I only see one comment). lemmyrs.org is my choice if there had to be only one Rust community, although I would prefer to see a "multireddit" implementation where all of the Rust communities could be grouped into one subscribeable feed.
You have really valid points, this might seem like promoting my home instance instead of a 'competing' instance, but I feel the point of Federation is to get spread out as much as possible?
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How big will programming.dev become? Would the instance suffer from downtime like what is happening with lemmy.ml now?
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If drama occurs wouldn't it be easier for a smaller instance to self regulate and moderate?
Ive moderated a few outside communities before, and it does get to a point where larger communities moderation becomes exponentially harder if there are more topics to talk about.
So in my (flawed) opinion I feel it would be better for the rust community on lemmy, and for the idea behind federation to be hosted on a separate rust focused instance.
I chose remmyrs.org Just because I think that it helps federation if instances are used that specialise for the topic.
The sooner a community can be decided on, the better. /r/rust should then link to that instance in their privatization message so users who're out of the loop are not completely lost.
User on programming.dev here (also a newbie to Lemmy)
As someone that doesn't actively use Rust, I'd still like to see news about it. There's a lot more to a community than just its news though. If y'all go to your own instance, programming.dev having a subscription to a "news" community on that instance would be enough for me. That gives me a link into the Rust world on Lemmy. Just my two cents.
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