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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

Peaceful demonstrations are little more than a relief valve for peoples frustration. You need to do something that gets a nonsensical name like "charged with curmudgeoning the public" which effectively meant you stopped money from transacting, or possibly needed a bath, but has since been expanded to included whatever shenanigans you got up to in you're non peaceful demonstration(non peaceful being any demonstration that has an impact apparently)

[–] [email protected] 48 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

LAPD called the demonstration “non-permitted,”

That's entirely the point, you goose-stepping morons. SMH.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

Yup, "designated protest zones" with a permit were designed to preserve the illusion of protest while removing the efficacy in the wake of the civil rights movement, removing protest from the eyelines, profit operations, and governmental operation of those being protested.

If a protest isn't disruptive, it's masturbation. Might feel good, but it won't do shit.

Just as with our American free speech, it's been neutered into not mattering, and it will be silenced on for profit media and buried/quieted on for profit social media if it's an opinion the oligarchs don't want to be spread, just like Luigi when they realized nothing they could propagandize using their for profit bully pulpits would turn our crony capitalist beaten citizenry against him.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago

If a protest isn't disruptive, ...

TIL I don't have a problem, I'm just a chronically bad protestor.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

Cue Arrested Development cage for protestors

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Idk about that, mate. If used correctly the permits would have stopped the racist gathering in Charlottesville for "Unite the Right" and even though it was permitted it was also still highly effective as a show of intimidation and awareness of their racist message.

Something we all need to come to terms with is when we make rules it doesn't just apply to our enemies and doesn't just apply to us, either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I dont believe in stopping protest just because I disagree with what's being protested. People got fired for attending that protest, which was good, though not worth Heather's life. I absolutely believe in social consequences for speech like that, that's extremely healthy.

Let the racists protest, and let society punish them socially if we as a society have any worth at all. If we're ultimately bad, racist people, banning racist protests won't change that, and would only embolden and validate them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

I absolutely think protests by those who wish harm on or infringe upon the rights of others need to be broken up, including religious fanatics barricading abortion clinics and racists gathering in front of a black man's home in white robes.

There is either full tolerance or zero tolerance with the laws, we don't get to pick and choose.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Time for a national strike/shutdown.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

If they keep deporting workers in the facility fields then there won't need to be a strike. The country will grind to a halt all on it's own.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes please. For the love of God it's not too late.

I get the feeling of defeat. It sucks. But we must come together and stop this fascist takeover before it's too late, whether you're a conservative, liberal, or leftist we need to join hands and fight for a nation for the people. Luigi was a right leaning libertarian.

Seriously, the train has left the station and if we don't derail this train now it's going to mean we're finally handing all of our remaining power to self important narcissistic billionaires. America isn't for sale and it's not a business, it's our home, it belongs to us. These gross conmen pricks who think they know more than us because they got lucky in life think they can just take everything away by force.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How exactly would that help? Destroying the economy and defunding the government seems to be the Republican platform, why would we help them?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

This is what I'm waiting for someone to articulate. I work in the cannabis industry - we have nothing to do with Republicans and the Federal government already hates us. What would our workers striking accomplish? It'd only hurt our company and thus more likely to hurt Dems than R in the long run.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I would have articulated it on the general strike posts that float around Lemmy sooner but some of them ban me for insulting Xi Jinping and Putin.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Sorry how would that help us? GOP already destroying industry and dismantling government services, I'm not going to help the GOP.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (8 children)

"Massive protest" - a few hundred to low thousands. For a city as large as LA this barely registers as a protest. I guess its better than nothing, but look at Berlin which has roughly the same population. There the Nazis arent even a majority power yet and the recent protest was still in the 200k range. USAmericans really are indifferent huh?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I can't miss work to protest the federal government.

I get that disruption is important, but I need little things like food and a roof, and I have to work to secure those things no matter how much I hate the administration.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

USAmericans really are indifferent huh?

Yeah this was a bit harsh i admit. The fact that it has gotten to the point where so many people are actually just too poor to take the time to protest is a whole level of craziness by itself.

Still i think they wont have a choice other than overthrowing their government this time. Unless they somehow reign in their leadership they wont stay "just" poor they will struggle to survive at all. If things continue at the current pace the US will have tens of millions of additonal jobless and homeless people in a few months. Nevermind the complete infrastructure collapse due to lay offs in critical public sectors and budget cuts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

This whole way of life we have here has been by design. We work constantly. If you miss work to protest you may not be able to afford the medical bills you get when police brutalize you at the protest.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

You know, these are brave people. They probably weighted the very real possibility to be thrown away of the country if they got raid. They still protested. But they weren't raid. Now they have shown the people can get to the streets and protest. The ICE will hardly do anything if the protests are big enough. I think there's hope.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I would have gone, but the first I heard of this was after the fact, right here on this post. You're right, it honestly surprises me that we aren't taking to the streets more though.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Personally I believe part of the problem is that corporate capture of our social interactions has effectively meant folks can’t get the word out and (sadly) they don’t realize it? Trying to organize on Facebook? That’s a mistake.

I’m not saying it’s what happened here but there’s a possibility it’s what’s going on more broadly. And by design.

Personally I’ve started building a tool (for the fediverse) to help make civil participation free of corporate interest. I’m sick of my town and local municipal services (and volunteer organizations) only posting to Facebook (and I’m not in the US!)

Existing tools are, in my opinion, not widely used and too clunky to appeal to those who’ve been lulled into using big-tech solutions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Wow what an insightful comment that adds so much to the discussion.

I bet you weren't at the systemically silenced protests that nobody knew were happeneing either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

Use Briarproject.org to communicate via Bluetooth when there's no network.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

In all fairness they have been dealing with a tad bit of fire.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago

I knew something about this thread smelt like Tankie bullshit, good catch mate.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Why don't they go protest where no one will notice - is what was said when pro Palestinian anti apartheid protesters did the same.

Where are these people now?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Hope do you know the people protesting today were criticizing the pro Palestinian protesters? What if the same people protesting today were also protesting then?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

they probably are the exact same people

[–] [email protected] 282 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans: look at LA and see what they are doing. these are your brothers and sisters. they know what's at stake. they are pushing back

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago

Yeah ok but LA didn't even vote for these Fascists to begin with, so the effectiveness is pretty limited as far as possitive political outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 244 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Under Trump’s new orders, ICE is now allowed to target migrants at sensitive locations, like schools and churches, for arrests and potential deportations.

And FUCKING HOSPITALS. And quizzing people about their immigration status when they seek help for a medical emergency.

It would have taken fewer words to just not excise hospitals from your partial list of "sensitive locations," but I can see why you wouldn't want to talk about it. It's real fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 17 hours ago

Police do not have freedom to easily arrest people at large protests. This whole protest was breaking the law at various points and the article didn't even know if anyone has been arrested.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This is what allies are for.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No matter how bad it gets, people still show up. Love that "Don't bite the hands that feed you" sign.

If anyone's interested, the Red Card resource mentioned in the news coverage "created by the Immigrant Legal Resource Center (ILRC) and are available in 16 languages from Spanish to Haitian Creole to Tigrinya." Anyone wanting to leave these lying around, you don't need to order them. Just buy a few business card printer sheets and DIY. ...

“It’s important to know that a lot of productive activity is happening in person and offline, too. Not all of it can be broadcast online, but we’ve had hundreds of people showing up to our trainings, mobilizations, and more. Keep going. Tyranny is eroded by a sea of small acts. Everything matters.” - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, sometime yesterday

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

I loved how we all united today.

Hit Little Tokyo bakery before the protest.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I overheard (coworker on break) a video saying ICE in NYC was only targeting criminals and gang members. So far I haven't found a real source for that 'fact'

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

That's part of their plan. They start by more aggressively tracking down, arresting, and deporting the people with the most severe criminal records who have probably been already already convicted of a deportable offense. They can go around saying how they've got these actual criminals that "Biden allowed to stay" and be telling enough of the truth that it works.

The next step is to start going after people with mild criminal records, maybe shoplifting or an assault charge from a bar fight. People who wouldn't normally be eligible to deport. People who are here maybe legally maybe not.

Then they start revoking legal status from people by just accusing them of petty crimes and deporting them without due process. This is what the new law they just passed with Democrats support allows the government to do now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I mean, if it were the 1950s, that would be kind of believable, but it's been like 75 years of this BS.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Fascists consider being brown to be a criminal act. They say that to create apathy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

Trump decided to include anyone that is in the country illegally in the criminal category, and I'm sure they can find an even wider brush to paint with down the line (participate in an unsanctioned protest? Criminal! Say something bad about Trump? Criminal!).

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

You won't either because they've already done shenanigans including detaining an entire American family from Puerto Rico.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago

This has been amended to "there may be some collateral arrests" which mean anyone near their target who's brown and first language isn't English is getting rounded up too

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is just going to fuel his ego. He wants LA to suffer and be angry.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

~~I was just coming to say this, Trump is delighted people are taking to the streets to blame California and Newsom for his ICE gestapo raids. I mean I get you want to take to the streets to vent your fear and anger pushing for change, but to gridlock Los Angeles for something neither LA nor California want and are working as hard as they can to prevent, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Buses to DC, to camp out in the tens of thousands would be more meaningful, though a great many of these people are probably targets of ICE in the frist pace, and that'd just be rounding themselves rounding them all up, and if they showed up in force to DC, Trump would deport them all, US citizens or not.~~

After having a little rethink, I get it now, Los Angeles is the safest place they can protest like this in these numbers. I support this.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago

Vive la resistance

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