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Summary

Trump announced that 25% tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico will take effect on February 1, though a decision on including oil remains pending.

He justified the move by citing undocumented migration, fentanyl trafficking, and trade deficits.

Trump also hinted at new tariffs on China.

Canada and Mexico plan retaliatory measures while seeking to address U.S. concerns.

If oil imports are taxed, it could raise costs for businesses and consumers, potentially contradicting Trump's pledge to reduce living expenses.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I'm sad seeing all these "Enjoy the collapse, losers!" comments.

Most people on most Lemmy instances, especially here, probably made it VERY clear we didn't want this pathetic handbag-hobgoblin in charge. Yes, a lot of our countrymen voluntarily gave up their brains for his bullshit, but not all of us, by a long shot.

Policy stopped being directed by the will of the people a long time ago. We aren't levying tariffs. He is. We , human beings just like you, are trying to keep it together as a grotesque parody of the fall of the Roman Empire plays out around us.

Stop falling for that tribalist nonsense. Love has no borders, and hate is too busy drawing them. Support your brothers and sisters on this Earth, because when the evil wealthy masters of this world set their sights on your democracy, it could happen to your home just as easily, don't be fooled.

Edit: I've gone over my comment multiple times...where the heck did I even insinuate I didn't vote? We only get one, and like many others, I said a prayer and ticked the box for Kamala's half-hearted efforts to stopgap and buy us more time to fix this thing. For all the friggin' good it did.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I'm sorry you're getting the thoughts you didn't vote, but I'll admit I'm very much in the "Enjoy the collapse, losers!" territory so at least I'll express mine, hopefully it helps make sense, and honestly, I appreciate your feeling to try to do better. If you figure out a way to move forward, fantastic. I just remember the top post of a comment when Trump won however and it so truly fits, "I'm tired, boss."

I have been fighting to get people to vote for years, trying to keep them involved. Not trying to get to vote every 4 years, but every year, local stuff, this shit is important, people need to stay up on it. I'm considered a news hound amongst people I know... I listen to the morning news on the 30 minute commute to work, that's how much time I put in to the news, that's it. It's not hard. Some days I say fuck it and listen to an audiobook.

People I've known who vote R, lets be honest, they went through the last Trump era and learned nothing. I remember back in the W. era people saying it should be illegal to speak against the president, who turned around and called Obama a muslim who should be deported. End of Trump era I knew republicans who were just starting to get it, maybe healthcare is fucked, maybe a lot of big corpo things are the problem... but immediately turned around and jumped right back in to Trumps circle the moment it came around "I couldn't just vote for Kamala" just like "I just couldn't vote for Hillary" and so on. Hell my state voted to repeal the strictest abortion ban and make abortion legal in the state, but still voted pretty much straight R despite a history of the party overturning ballot initiatives "Because the voters didn't know what they were voting for." So yes... after years of this, there's the tribal "If you're republican, you can go fuck yourself with a pineapple" especially as this collapse is coming.

On the non-voters. I'm sorry, I consider them just as culpable. In 2016 at least Trump was a... well anyone who paid fifteen minutes of attention knew what he was about but fuck it, I'll give the people who said "Fuck it lets try something new" a bit of a pass. This time, there were no surprises on the table. You had Kamala, which yes was about as dead standard democrat as you got, and you got Project 2025 Trump back with a vengeance. Those that say "I didn't vote for Trump" but by doing so stayed home gave their voice to "meh" and whatever happens they agreed to it. People I directly know who were in this, I know of one at least in a gay marriage, a few hispanic workers, and a trans individual, all who were "I'm just not interested in politics." Well, suddenly they're REALLY interested in politics. And many wanting to "rise up", well I'm not going to trust someone who couldn't be faffed to even do the basic fucking minimum to try to prevent things to watch my back when shit hits the fan.

So yes, we're all hosed and anyone who didn't see it coming had their heads so far up their own asses in the past 8 years they've proven they can't be taught. I'm sitting in the fire too, I'm not going to like the collapse. But after years of the fighting and still witnessing the apathy, my empathy is dead. The tribalism is useful, these were the people who were willing to do the basic minimum to resist, so maybe we can actually help each other. I'll help them as I can. The others I expressed about, no, I don't want bad to happen... but at least the schadenfreude can be a little bit of light through some very dark times coming. Don't weep for the stupid, you'll be crying all day.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Someone make this into that Gru meme:

  1. Slap a 25% tarrif on goods coming from your 3 biggest economic allies
  2. Economy will strengthen due to American consumers preferring American made alternatives
  3. There are no American made alternatives
  4. There are no American made alternatives
[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] JackbyDev 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they really wanted this to work it should be something like a steadily increasing tariff over time instead of 25% right off the bat. But I don't think they really care about it working as intended.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

May the American people enjoy the fruits of their voting and sitting on their asses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't get fucked by proxy of America electing an old senile fascist.

I am Canadian and I will feel Trump's presidency for a while

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This massively violates the USMCA that he signed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

He doesn't give a fuck about anything. It's so tiring that people assume that he is rational and he cares.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 3 days ago (1 children)

A friend of mine works for an electric semi truck company. The vast majority of their parts are manufactured in Canada and Mexico; they're just assembled in the US. His mom voted for Trump and really wants him to move back to Ohio so he can have space and be close to family. He wanted to go back, too, and had a transfer and promotion within the company set up before the election. Now there's a company-wide freeze and his transfer is gone. The company's internal financial projections are not good.

His mom refuses to recognize that she just voted for her son to stay in Seattle indefinitely, even though he wants to move back. She keeps thinking that any day now, the economy will be so booming that his company will be doing great. He can't talk to her about it anymore.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Why the fuck would you want to go back to Ohio?

That state sucks balls.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just like the war on drugs, you'll be able to buy black market tacos in alleys.

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[–] [email protected] 174 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If oil is excluded the truly boss move on Canada & Mexico's part would just be to introduce a 25% export premium on those products while the tariffs are in effect.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Canada's boss move is to remove the intellectual property laws that the US asked for and let Canadian companies and consumers thrive again.

Canada shouldn't retaliate with US tariffs

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago

This would be beautiful. I remember when there were mod-chip stores beside internet cafes, where i could bring my xbox and pay to have a chip and a hard drive installed that let me copy any game i wanted from a rented disk or downloaded off the internet right onto the console. I still have that console and pulled it out during quarantine to make use of the huge library of games on the hard drive. Having this sort of freedom for all types of goods and electronics would be incredible, but i doubt it will ever happen.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago

Exactly, clearly they'll still pay for it if it's important enough to exempt. In Canada's case we could give Alberta the extra revenue just so they won't get too cranky.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Mama didn't love him, now he's a grumpy old man with grievances.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I'm morbidly fascinated to see how all of this shakes out.

Everyone on the left is saying it's a terrible idea with very predictable and deleterious consequences.

Trump seems to think it's as great as it sounds at face value - tax things that sound bad and get money.

Either way it will be a feature of economics text books for centuries to come.

Obviously I want to see Trump fail spectacularly, but it fucking sucks that would harm those of us who can least afford it.

If you went shopping last week and half value of your purchases originated in Canada or Mexico, then will the same purchases next week cost 12.5% more ? That's pretty staggering inflation

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

i come from a tariff heavy country. you want a sneak peak? inflation. shit is gonna get more expensive. that's it

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Great so now my food will cost even more?

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

WAY more. We import a lot of food from Mexico as is, and the immigration and ethnic clensing the Trump goverment is engaging in is already forcing farmers to watch their crops rot on the ground with no one to harvest them. So we're following in the great tradition of Stalin and Pol Pot, we have a dumb fucking asshole with a hard on for ''strong man tactics'' demanding we change how we get food in many extreme ways immediately, you know, instead of gradual change, so we'll all get to see what an artifical famine looks like! Do you think Trump will let other nations send us emergency rations so we won't die? Or will he confiscate them at a dock or border and have them dumped into the ocean so he doesn't look weak? North Korea knows.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

We also export a hell of a lot of soybeans, so when retaliatory tariffs kick in I guess our new ultra-masculine conservative government is going to have us all eating lots and lots of soy.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I can't believe some people think that putting tariffs on a country means the country will just give the government 25% of everything and the merchants of that country are not just going to raise the prices to match the new expenses(or maybe even a little bit more since they have a good excuse to change prices).

I guess I can stand to eat a bit less, we can call it the economic collapse of the US diet! Just think of all the profits from the diet books! To bad they are going to cost 30% more now that my Mexican publisher is paying a tarrif to bring the books into the US. That's OK, spending more money on the book just means that you won't be able to afford as much food, making the diet work even better!

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[–] [email protected] 112 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Part of me thinks this is so they have an easy way to drop prices after people get used to everything costing more, but I'm sure it's mostly just trying to destroy the the US's relationship with it's most important allies.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Part of me thinks this is so they have an easy way to drop prices after people get used to everything costing more

This is a technique commonly employed by Sisi in Egypt so while it'd be surprising that America sunk that low that quickly I can see it happening. And by the way, yes America is now being compared to Egypt out of all countries so... Uh... Good luck.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 days ago

Lol, do it, bitch. Bet you'll chicken out of this one too.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 87 points 4 days ago (34 children)

Its Americans trying to buy food who will be hit with a 25% tarriff, not Mexico. And Mexican farmers wont see a dime of that revenue, if anything they will see a decline in revenue as people stop buying the products. It all goes to the US treasury.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll enjoy seeing the US go down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

We're reaching the "find out" stage.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I can't wait for mainstream business media to attempt to explain this rationally while keeping a straight face AND still bootlicking at the same time.

I don't envy that job.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 3 days ago

I was going to give up eating this year anyway. Food just takes too long to buy, cook & eat.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I love how old the orange asshole looks in the photos. Hopefully things just work out in our favor soon. It could be a permanent sleep or maybe a nice golf ball to the forehead or choked on a pretzel. I think we should probably place some ...legal... Bets on how it all goes down? It shouldn't that that long. I remember when my Grandma looked like that and we buried her a few months later.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not like this buffoon being gone will stop the rest of the out-of-their-minds and now fascist Republicans or Muskrat from continuing the work.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 days ago (16 children)

If oil imports are taxed, it could raise costs for businesses and consumers, potentially contradicting Trump’s pledge to reduce living expenses.

Does anyone honestly think Trump meant anything he said while he was campaigning? It was obviously all just saying what people wanted to hear. He basically said as much himself. Pretending otherwise is just legitimizing lies and propaganda.

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