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Its Americans trying to buy food who will be hit with a 25% tarriff, not Mexico. And Mexican farmers wont see a dime of that revenue, if anything they will see a decline in revenue as people stop buying the products. It all goes to the US treasury.
Canada and Mexico are still part of that North American free trade agreement thing. We (Canada) will just get our food from Mexico and South America like we've always done. We'll just skip America.
Yeah, as a Canadian I'm down with strengthening our trade with Mexico.
Problem there might be transport. You need to do it without crossing a US border.
How much shipping goes between Canada and Mexico?
Ah. You still dont understand how the US works. Send a small bribe directly to the Trump family and you can do whatever you like. I suggest using Eric Trump. If Dems are in charge send a bribe to AIPAC and they will give the dems their allowance. Either way its probably not even expensive.
Pfft... just buy some $TRUMP crypto coin. The graft is all out in the open now.
Also the "uncommitted" got their way and got Trump into power. So now AIPAC conspiracy stuff is just straight up antisemitism now.
I think this has passed a lot of people by. When Trump announced his crypto scheme he was saying to the world "This is how you buy the power of the president with no paper trail". Foreign powers can funnel billions through it for favours.
It's corruption on a unprecedented scale, even for a political system that runs on continual "fund-raising".
Being called an antisemite doesnt have the sting it used to. Now it just means anyone the genocidal state of Israel and their supporters disagree with in any way. Seems like weaponized language quickly loses meaning.
Maybe the free trade would allow trains and the like to go right through the USA without selling anything?
Why would the US want to do that?
Isn't that the whole.purpose of the free trade agreement?
You mean the free trade agreement that Trump is currently trying to tear down?
Hell, he'll probably ask y'all to pay taxes on transport, even for things you aren't selling here.
Right, but the tariffs will shoot that dead.
Only if sold in the US no? Not trying to be dense, but my understanding would be that it would apply to goods sold in the US not traveling through
I believe if a good enters a country it's deemed as being imported, even if it's getting exported immediately. At some ports they have areas where goods are deemed not to have entered the country and they can be put back on another ship. Drive it over "the border" though and suddenly you have to do all the paperwork and pay the bills.
I'm not aware of trains and trucks being considered as little bits of neutral territory moving across the country.
back in the first episode, lord diaper whined, and whined and shit on nafta, forcing it to be 'renegotiated' by him. he just had to have his name on everything.
nafta was a long time in the making, from reagan, to bush, to clinton when it finally went into effect. it had bipartisan support in congress, a little stronger from the right.
undone by a single shart from an orange moron that leaked, and then magically 'fixed' by the same..
in the end, what mr. art-of-the-fucking-deal managed to 'negotiate' is almost entirely the same as the nafta he hated so much.
now he's shitting on his own fucking deal. fuck'm.
i fully support your efforts to avoid our products and companies for the next few years. and if anyone up there wants to come renovate the white house again...... i won't be in your way.
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I live in Texas, and it's hard to overstate how much of our produce is imported from Mexico. This would be an almost immediate 25% price hike on food that basically can't be grown at scale here because we don't have Mexico's climate. Surely he'd exempt food from whatever he's about to do. Right...?
Will it benefit the average person? If the answer is yes, you can take it off the list.
Even if it benefits the rich, it would have to exponentially hurt the average American more for it to be considered. They've already turned their nose up at studies that have proven better working conditions, pay, and benefits would make them richer in the long run because it takes a little bit of control away from them. These people are sick, and the only thing that is going to correct it at this point is a violent uprising.
What does Mexico export to the US that isn't a consumer good?
https://jwmason.org/slackwire/what-exactly-does-the-us-buy-from-mexico/
This is a good list from a quick search, other search results states a lot of vehicles (in this case we'd be talking about vehicles for industry) agricultural (I didn't look far enough but it could be both produce which would be consumer, but it could also have some ag production products, and machinery, machinery probably being the largest non consumer good product depending on how much that agricultural divide is between consumer/industry.
Included in that list is oil, that would be non consumer, computers would be roughly the same split if not more than agricultural considering companies go through computers more than the average consumer. Computers is also a pretty broad tag so take that with a grain of salt.
Services and other seems kind of substantial, this is not my area at all, just relaying a search essentially, so that could go either way if included in the tariffs at all.
Those things will still have impact on consumer prices though. Agricultural vehicles costing more will increase domestically produced food prices (didn't John Dear just move production there). Oil costing more increases transport costs on everything, but at least could be sourced from elsewhere.
I don't really see how exceptions could be made to protect consumers without undercutting the whole thing. I expect to be on everything or nothing.
100% agreed.
Capitalism is designed to pass the buck to us. That's just how it works. It might take a little longer if it is through the production pipeline like the examples above, but it's still gonna fuck us.
"surely he'd exempt X from..."
Exact same reflection as all the people who depend on migrant workers that voted for him only for the bubble to burst in their face.
it's a 25% import tax paid by the importer. when their margins are added, and then the distributors' on top of their higher costs, at each step of the distribution chain.. it'll be a fair bit more than 'just' +25% once product reaches the store shelves.
I expect food would be exempt as you don't want an angry, hungry, volatile population. Bread and Circuses
Whatever he exempts is specifically what Canada and Mexico should target for export tarriffs in retaliation.
Yeah, like oil. When gas prices go up Trump's base gets upset.
I could see that they try to get away with just Circus, tho.
Don't worry, the leopards definitely aren't going to eat your face!
You're not applying that saying correctly my friend
Nah, EU likes them avocados and fruit too, especially in winter.
Looking forward to cheaper maple syrup!
"Fresh fruit in the wintertime, nothing is too good for my people"