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Greetings!

A friend of mine wants to be more secure and private in light of recent events in the USA.

They originally told me they were going to use telegram, in which I explained how Telegram is considered compromised, and Signal is far more secure to use.

But they want more detailed explanations then what I provided verbally. Please help me explain things better to them! โœจ

I am going to forward this thread to them, so they can see all your responses! And if you can, please cite!

Thank you! โœจ

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[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

It really depends on who your friend is, and who they are trying to defenf against.

If the US ( or Russian / Chinese) government really wants to access an internet-connected device, they can do it; what app you are using doesn't even matter. For example, most people use the default Google keyboard, which could be compromised.

If the concern is about local goons / employers / coworkers, then both Telegram and Signal are more than enough to stop them prying.

As for whether to use Signal or Telegram, Signal has end to end encryption enabled by default, while in Telegram you have to switch it on for each chat. On the other hand, Telegram has the best UI among messaging apps hands down.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Pegasus really negates a lot of security too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Even if you switch to an offline keyboard, the new "ai" assistants in Windows, iOS, and Android? Can read your screen, microphone, and etc. I'm not really sure what you should use unless you use coded language. Even then, there's just too much information about you out there anyway. Best bet would to be have conversations in private away from any electronic devices or use something like tails.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Telegrsm is not secure anymore. USA have all the keys of the encriptions of telegrsm.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago

I wouldn't say USA has all the encryption keys, but the fact that it is actually possible to have a backdoor is reason enough for me to not use it. Signal complies with all search warrants, giving all the data they have to law enforcement. They have never given any data to law enforcement, because they do not have access to it. Telegrams approach is to simply to spread the data to several servers in different countries, so if law enforcement wanted access they'd have to submit requests to each country (some of which wouldn't comply).

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Telegram is not end to end encrypted. Repeating it's not. Only private mode or something like that is.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You don't say? A cloud-service I can access from all devices plus API and bots is not e2e-encrypted with zero knowledge? I'm shocked. That's what "secret chat" is for. Literally.

They chose this way as the regular Joe and Jane don't care for privacy but for comfort. You can never ever have both. Nowhere.

I love tgram for it being so open. And e2e when I need it. I don't need privacy for when my smarthome sends me notifications about a light I left on or something ๐Ÿ˜

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yep, and this allows for proper content moderation. Telegram can actually just find and report creeps to authorities

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

That too. Sadly the restrictiveness was badly abused. Noone really wonders but...that's why we can't have nice things.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Well then use the secret chat if you want your chat to be secret from any prying eyes

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I meant the restrictiveness towards governments. The pesos and Nazis fucked that up, tgram had to do something or have their ill repute grow even more.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

Telegram seems to be a popular option for groups of such orgs. Other apps have the same risks tho. It's a bit if a mess

[โ€“] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Telegram for random public chatter/file storage(with password lock), talking to strangers without giving them your number. Signal for personal/private conversations.

Spread your data (encrypted or not) around, so a single entity doesn't own your digital life. Your device can handle 2 apps and don't give them permissions willy nilly. Geez, every one of these posts just wants to start a flame war.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

If you have a safe, but cannot open it, do you own the contents inside? Signal has no way of accessing your data, I would argue they don't own it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Signal supports username based chatting.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Behind those usernames, are phone numbers (meaning real identities) stored in signal's database.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As far as I know telegram requires a phone number too.

And the conversation was about "talking to strangers without giving them your number", not without giving signal nor telegram your number.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

There are far better privacy alternatives to both: matrix, xmpp, simplex all work well and don't require phone numbers or US-based hosting.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Where do you want to place the goal post?

We talked about comparing 2 applications. Commenter wasn't up-to-date and implied a falsehood, I corrected it as it is important for the discussion. Then you talk about something completely else and in context, implied a falsehood, I corrected that as it is important for the discussion. And now you are talking about something completely else again.

Please express your opinion. You can do it in this thread, even if it is off-topic, I don't care, but please stop acting like you are responding to me.

[โ€“] [email protected] 74 points 1 day ago (6 children)

In my view, by far the biggest reason to switch is that Telegram doesn't end-to-end encrypt chats by default.

Yes you can start encrypted chats specifically, but i'll bet 99% of chats on telegram aren't encrypted - meaning whoever has access to the telegram servers can read all the messages.

Signal claims to end-to-end encrypt all chats by default, and if you want to be 100% sure you can in theory read the source code and compile the app yourself. this means signal cannot read any of your messages, even if police asks them to or servers get seized. That's a massive advantage in privacy.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Telegram rolls their own crypto. That should be the biggest red flag by far. I say this as a telegram user

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

The encryption method they use was made up by them, and the chats aren't even end to end encrypted by default. Which I would argue is a larger red flag.

[โ€“] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (7 children)

While there may be better options out there, from a purely security standpoint.

The real world, with non-tech people needs solutions that are easy, fast and as close to foolproof as possible.

I choose Signal, because my mum, my sisters and brothers (none of which are tech people) can all go to their app stores and install Signal, it works and it is easy. Signal is private BY DEFAULT, I don't have to remind them to turn on security for each chat, there is voice and video chat for individuals and groups, I can use it to send files. It is really good. Secure communication is their primary goal.

I have been using Signal since it was called TextSecure and I only had one contact using it.

Yes it sucked when they dropped SMS support; but these days about 98% of my messaging goes through Signal. Any SMS is usually from my doctor/dentist/bank.

I never really trusted Telegram, too many compromises. Secure communication is not their primary goal.

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