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CNN has exclusively obtained the audio recording of the 2021 meeting in Bedminster, New Jersey, where President Donald Trump discusses holding secret documents he did not declassify.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Is it just me or is this tape absolutely damning? It shows the action, the intent, and the state of mind.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

And knowledge that it was illegal.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

@kn33

Any bets he still doesn't face appropriate consequences?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you can name a single time the DoJ has went through this much time & expense to let someone go, I would love to hear about it.

Also, you may want to go check out Jack Smith's resume.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@Jaysyn
I'm not saying they aren't working on it but I am saying take a look at how many legal issues he's had with no repercussion so far. If the average person had boxes and boxes of these documents in their house, if you did or if I did, would we still be out flying around the country and dining out? No. Absolutely not. He's already being treated preferentially as it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I'm a veteran,I had a lower security clearance, and I can attest that the sheer number of times the government warns about the consequences relating to classified materials is very high. There is no question that a military member handling things as Trump did would be locked away quickly and for the long haul.

Still I hold out hope that 45 will face the consequences he's due without pardon. Otherwise it would be setting a dangerous precedent for national security, and I can't think of anything the government holds more dearly than that. Letting 45 off the hook is effectively saying they value him more than national security, no?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You wanna know how many times I thought something regarding Trump was damning and he just kept on trucking? All in saying is if I hold my breath any longer I'll suffocate.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump’s statements on the audio recording, saying “these are the papers” and referring to something he calls “highly confidential” and seems to be showing others in the room, could undercut the former president’s claims in an interview last week with Fox News’ Bret Baier that he did not have any documents with him.

Trump is only ever honest with people he's trying to impress. He only views those documents as a way to gain clout. We know from experience that he lies to literally everyone else, even if it means being openly inconsistent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

To be perfectly frank he also lies to people he's trying to impress.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And of course he's making a dumb argument while admitting to having and showing off classified papers he can no longer declassify.

His argument is that the generals were saying Trump wanted a war with Iran, but because they had prepared an assessment of attack options, they must have wanted such a war themselves.

Do we think his staffers were just sucking up to him or are they just as dumb as they sound?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Do we think his staffers were just sucking up to him or are they just as dumb as they sound?

Yes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Trump surrounds himself with “Yes-People”. You know the kind of people that would never contradict whoever seems to be in charge. Usually yes-people aren’t very smart. They ingratiate themselves to power because they can’t get there on merit.

That said the people making the book/doing the interview may have been playing along for a killer exclusive.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is just insane...

Yes the DoD has war plans on how to attack anyone at need... Heck there almost certainly are plans for how to handle an insane UK.

The President can ask for these plans at any time.

That doesn't mean the DoD wants to actually carry out those plans.... but then why did Donald ask for them?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Honestly? It probably irritated trump that he had a “big, the biggest, red button” and he was never allowed to actually push said button.

Trump probably was hoping one of those plans involved nuking Iran, just so he could push said button.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's very interesting how Mark Milley seemed to have a few plans active in case a deranged Trump somehow got the military entangled in conflicts both internally (jan 6) and externally (potential unhinged war against Iran, per his request for invasion plans)

But that's actually beside the point here -- what's funny is how he was so insulted by Milley's book claiming he was unhinged and wanted to attack Iran that he basically went completely out of control and started waving said top secret documents to a staffer and the accompanying ghost writer. It's literally like poring oil on an open flame!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Very cool

Not very legal