@[email protected] So, he did commit the crime. Pick a better poster boy, perhaps?
Privacy
Everything about privacy (the confidentiality pillar of security) -- but not restricted to infosec. Offline privacy is also relevant here.
This is a bit of an ignorant take, but I don't mean that pejoratively. This is not about image, but about legality. Having a poster boy is not necessary. Criminals still deserve rights and these organizations fight to ensure that, even if the defendants are repugnant, e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curley_v._NAMBLA
They are interested in defending rights no matter the optics because the precedents set in courts impact all people's rights in the US.
@zero_spelled_with_an_ecks It's generally better to retain the moral high ground as well as push the law.
Hard disagree. We shouldn't defend only those that leave one morally pure (by whose standards?) for having done so. I'm glad the ACLU disagrees with you as well. Do you also think the right to an attorney should only apply to nice people?
@zero_spelled_with_an_ecks I think that the right to an attorney is nice, and he got that. He is also guilty. Supression of the evidence of his guilt doesn't make him not a criminal.
There's plenty of examples of overreach the ACLU could be using their limited funds on. Someone who is an actual robber, proven beyond doubt? Well, morally, I'd leave him and spend the money elsewhere. Once the point is proven elsewhere, he can try and appeal.
This isn't about his guilt, it's about unreasonable search, and it impacts you as much as him. You're saying you'd rather someone get punished than we all have our rights protected. I'm very glad you don't decide where the funding goes. I'm done with this conversation; we disagree on a fundamental level as the what rights are for and who deserves their rights protected.
@zero_spelled_with_an_ecks That's fine. That's your call.
I think differently. I think that criminals should be punished.
I'm also in a different country entirely.
I'm going to just assume you're completely ignorant of the values and processes of the legal system in the US, then. Innocent until proven guilty is an important concept. Determining that guilt has rules that must be followed. Like if I were to say I win this conversation and you're wrong without proving it, would you accept it? Too bad, people with the wrong ideas don't get to argue.
@zero_spelled_with_an_ecks You'd be wrong.
But, he did it. That's a fact. There's proof. A legal argument that he shouldn't be found guilty of his actual, factual crime because the police looked at his phone a bit harder than he would've liked? That's your argument for releasing a criminal?
You get that it looks terrible, right? It's the kind of thing that'll get trunp writing a chatgpt EO in a heartbeat, and it'll be far worse for everyone.
I don't give a damn how it looks to you, it looks to me like the cops are the criminals that we need protection from in this and many other cases.