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Just randomly sharing my experience here. My sister told me a few weeks ago she was going to change for a new phone (a Motorola, she likes AOSP-like experience). I noticed that her new phone wouldn't get a jack.

"Yeah, I know, I hope I can make it work with a USB-adapter". She has nice headphones that she likes to use, so USB-C earplugs were not an option.

Fast forward to today, she told me the adapter she got starts to malfunction:

  • she has to twitch the jack in the adapter for the thing to work
  • when she plugs the adapter in, Google Assistant takes over and randomly starts skipping songs.

She's now considering getting wireless earbuds, but she's not a fan of having to recharge them to be able to use them, and is also cautious about the e-waste potential.

I have a Moto G84 which does the job. It's not the best phone in the world, I'm eyeing a flagship from time to time and keep the G84 as a "connected walkman", but would it break today, I would probably get a G55 (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Motorola-Moto-G55-smartphone-review-Inexpensive-doesn-t-have-to-be-boring.932900.0.html)

That's it for me, do you have similar experiences to share?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The headphone cable is excellent for sure and I will never ever buy another set of wireless headphones again.

I have one set of wireless earbuds (Sony XM3) for when bigger headphones are impractical and for the price the battery life is shit. After roughly 2ish years of moderate use the battery life is cut noticeably and after 3 they barely last 30 minutes. Thankfully changing the battery is fairly simple (go sony!) although the battery used is a weird proprietary cell that cannot be purchased through legitimate channels and is fairly expensive (boo sony). But whatever, $30 on batteries is better than tossing earbuds that cost $250-300 a few years ago.

That said I have moved on from phones with headphone jacks. I still have a few sets of proper ass headphones that are pretty nice. If I want to use them with my phone I don’t fuck with dongles, I have a Qudelix 5K DAC/AMP. This allows me to use my wired headphones with any Bluetooth thing really. The only thing that could improve it is a user replaceable battery, and they made that: the Qudelix T71 although I haven’t tried that. And frankly I’m pretty sure I can figure out swapping the battery on this whenever it croaks. I’ve sourced and changed a lot of batteries in my time.

It’s not as nice as my proper setup for listening to flac or vinyl but it’s pretty indistinguishable aurally for the most part when listening to flac on my phone (vs flac on my home server via my better dac/amp which again is pretty aurally indistinguishable unless you’re a buttsniffing audiophile type. And if you are I dare you to double blind test it)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That BT DAC sounds like it could be a decent option if your phone supports aptX-HD or LDAC at 990kbps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Qudelix 5K DAC/AMP

Interesting, thanks for sharing!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Excellent recommendation but be sure to use it wired if you actually want sound quality

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Flagship phones are crap IMO, my personal hatred for glass as a material used unnecessarily for the back is immense.
Glass sucks in every aspect, it's slippery, it's heavier, it's a finger print magnet, and it's fragile in a place where you can choose synthetics that are better in every way.
Losing the jack and SD cards suck too, and preventing replaceable batteries is so bad, it's actually illegal in EU from 2027. I have no idea why that couldn't have been sooner.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2023/06/22/new-eu-law-to-force-smartphone-makers-to-build-easily-replaceable-batteries

The rules will come into force in 2027.

I'm so sick of this, that I've decided NO WAY I'm buying a flagship next time, despite I absolutely love features like an amazing camera and screen.

But they can piss right off with their bullshit, pardon my French.
I bet a manufacturer could get sales advertising that it's NOT a glass back, and that it HAS mini-jack.
But I also miss the notification LED, how did they figure it was a good idea to remove that too???

The weird thing is they ALL do this shit? Where's the competition on maintaining well established functions? A mini jack doesn't prevent use of wireless earphones, but lack of it absolutely prevents the use of wired ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There are some manufacturers that have kept these features and it's definitely a selling point. The one I know is Sony but I think there was another one. I'm still sad they removed the notification led though, it seemed like they would keep it as they also kept the top bezel.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sony

Their phones look nice but the pricetag is very hefty.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah sadly. They're still good phones just not very value for money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A used flagship is a great phone (except for the glass nonsense, give me all plastic please). It's all I buy, 2 or 3 year old flagship for 1/4 the price of new.

I just upgraded from a 2017 flagship to a Pixel 5, for $120!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pixel 5

I just checked, ironically no headphone jack

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

They probably meant the 5a which was the last Pixel with a jack. I am still holding onto my 4a as I haven't found a replacement that can support the ROM I use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I got some bose bluetooth headphones probably 7-8 years ago at this point and they're still working fine. I hate earbuds, personally, so that was never an option. I do hate having one more thing to charge and possibly die, but the noise canceling is also super helpful so that's fine for me. I've had zero problems with google assistant or anything else, but I'm pretty sure I have it mostly disabled on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I love my pixel 6a, except for this point.

Fortunately, I have no bad experience on it with USB c adapter and the jack glued to it 😁👌

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The g84 is a great mid range phone with all the things that a phone should have, except for a decent camera.

Being Motorola it has a couple of idiotic quirks that will never get fixed

  • kills Facebook messenger in the background no matter what your do.

  • on some but not all Australian 5g networks, the camera closes after a few seconds and is unusable unless you switch to 4g etc.

I can live with those given the rest of the stuff is great for the price point.

Rarely use headphones so can't comment much on that side. FM radio seems to manage without.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes, the camera is the one thing that it could do better.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Regarding your sister's issue: that happened to me less when I paid a little more for a quality adapter. I think I got a two pack for $15 and the cord has some rubber protection where the wire turns into USB C and where it turns into a headphone jack. Haven't had the same issue your sister is having ever since.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can't get a good quality DAC for $15. Lol

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Also cheap phones have really bad USB C ports that are super loose. With my pixel or iPhone? Almost no issues with connections. But my moto phones? Well there’s a reason why they’re so cheap.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks, do you still have the references of those?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Cheaper than I thought:

https://a.co/d/hr9AG01

Those are the ones I've been using for 6 months or more with no issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I am about to switch to a pixel 7a from a 3a and am facing this issue. My wired ear buds date to some type of sandisk mp3 player I bought about 15 years ago and are pretty rough, so I have been looking at my wired options. Thanks for this post!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I basically don't notice that I don't have a headphone jack. My usb-c adapter is just permanently affixed to my wired IEMs and it basically makes no difference to me if the plug is round or usb-c shaped.

I definitely recommend biting the bullet and getting a good adapter. Since I have a pixel I use the Google one. I made sure my partner got an official apple one for their iPhone since I remember seeing rumors about a volume difference between them if mixed and matched. Aside from Apple shenanigans I haven't really had an issue with them. I also only charge at night so I never have the problem of needing to charge and listen at the same time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think that the insistance on headphone jack has gone too far.
There are now enough wired USB-C headphones and wireless earbuds available.
Yes, there are edge cases, like people who work in audio industry where most equipment uses jack as standard connector, or car aux ports, etc.
But when it comes to most casual listening, there are enough solutions.

When migrating to the new phone I tried with USB-C to 3.5 adapter. It did not work most of the time. I suspect that the issue was in my somewhat defective headphones, which have damaged wire and therefore unreliable connection.
Previous phone and other devices were probably able to mitigate the occasional "disconnect", while the adapter completely dropped connection.

But then I bought USB-C headphones, which work fine.

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