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Hi! In thinking about how to help the fediverse grow, I wonder if there are more mainstream Lemmy instances?

I've pointed a couple folks to Lemmy.world and it's uhhh, pretty hard Left for them (as one girl, who volunteered for the Democrats said "I just got yelled at because I can't be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.") We're much farther Left than reddit which itself was definitely Left of centre...

I don't know if decentralized open source social media actually attracts many mainstreamers but assuming we want to grow the fediverse, I'd like to have somewhere I can point people to without feeling very nervous for them.

Thanks!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

The worst enemy of a leftie are other slightly different lefties lol

The good think of federation is that you can mute/block morons. And because there's no "algorithm" you are not shown content that the server thinks you are interested. So you have to be proactive and follow what you want to see, and mute the ones you dislike.

Also, you can have multiple accounts for multiple purposes. It's sane not to discuss politics with other people from other cultures all day, so you can have a dedicated account for that. And other account to have fun in a sane way, which includes muting politics.

In the case of this girl, she was american like the majority of lemmings I believe. But for people from the other hemisphere, the cultural shock may be even worse. My advice for those is always: Just mute. Don't argue and don't feed trolls. Nobody is gonna change opinions anyways.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Lemmy.world is considered the "normie" instance. Even if you manage to find another instance, it won't matter that much anyway since most interactions are from federated users. The only way to avoid leftist views on Lemmy is to avoid politics completely (which isn't viable).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

So if you can't handle that there are other opinions, you either need to find the communities which support your opinions or go back to corporate internet, which filters out uncomfortable stuff for you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 hours ago

Fediverse is anticapitalism at its core, it's a way to escape ads and money influencing algorithims and what can be said. If you don't like power to the people, join truth.social or some other unfederated instance.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 hours ago

Why not just join non-political communities and focus on the content that they enjoy. If people are nervous about meeting assholes on the internet perhaps they should stick to cable tv or netflix.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

"I just got yelled at because I can't be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism?

Based

Also shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the difference between leftist and left wing from someone but this is America dammit it's the culture

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism?

Yes. Yes indeed you can't. How to go about that is up for grabs but if you think that leftism is all about preserving the system that allows oligarchs to accumulate more capital and power, to allow a minority to exploit the majority, I don't know what to tell you.

...besides that you're probably American because only y'all are so damn confused about the whole topic.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Lemmy is different from Reddit in one important way.

Reddit is a product. You install the app, you look at the ads, the mods and admins curate an endless feed of cartoons and safe ragebait and awwwunexpectedsmiles.

Lemmy is an environment. If you're passive, then any random thing may happen to you. So you have to be proactive in this environment.

  • You could subscribe to communities that are non-politics/news, non-meme, non-tech, and browse these "subscribed" communities.
  • You could use blocklists, as described elsewhere in this post.
  • You could find an instance that does some of this work for you, by defederating and blocking certain types of opinions and behaviors. This seems to be what you want, and many people have provided suggestions.

These are all ok. But the one defining characteristic of Lemmy is that it is not just another product.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

I'm on sh.itjust.works. Which is actually run like a democracy, funnily enough.

According to a post made in our Main Community, sh.itjust.works is the fifth largest Lemmy instance by total posts, after lemmy.world, hexbear.net, www.hexbear.net, and lemmygrad.ml. So figuring Hexbear got duplicated, and anyway hexbear and lemmygrad are commonly defederated with because tankies, that puts sh.itjust.works at #2 on this side of the Silicon Curtain.

It shows lemmy.world at 390k total posts, with sh.itjust.works at 65k. Sh.itjust.works has very, very few of THE communities people use. !Games[email protected] is the biggest one by subscriber count.

So sh.itjust.works is a popular place to access other instances from, and I think others like lemm.ee and lemmy.ca are in the same boat.

"Join this instance, they're not as radical left as lemmy.whatever" misses the point. Who cares which door of the building you walked in through when everyone congregates in the same room anyway?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago

Wouldn’t really make much of a difference in what server you choose, if the goal is to get “away” from Lemmy.world. The majority of users is from there.

Maybe it’s not the server, but more the community that’s an issue for you?

[–] [email protected] 98 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

All I will point out is that the overton window in the US has shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president's inauguration is within normal discourse .

Anyway, lemmy can be pretty "normie" for you so long as you stay out of political discussions. But if you want to actually discuss politics within the US overton window, lemmy is going to be very hostile. However if you come with an attitude to learn instead of debating/arguing, then I suspect most people wouldn't flame you. But if one starts doing genocide denial for Israel etc, then they're going to have a bad time.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

shifted to the point where a double Sieg Heil at your president's inauguration is within normal discourse

Haha thank you. I'm not even American but to me it's pretty shocking to find out that this place, world of all instances, is too 'extreme' for people. Maybe I really am a dirty radical but I think that if people who consider themselves democrats are still fucking clutching their pearls about the left wing being too left wing while Elon Musk does open nazi salutes and trans people get their rights and dignity stripped away, then it's no wonder the USA is so fucked.

You guys clearly need a new political party because your choices are overt right wingers, or spineless right wingers that like to pretend they represent the left.

Edit: maybe the bad men will see the light if we all hold hands and sing kumbaya. I'm sure that all of the people who are already finding themselves victims to this will thank you for taking the high road and not scaring too many centrists.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago

Db0 is the best instance with the least friction from mods and admins.

[–] [email protected] 112 points 18 hours ago (20 children)

Reddit was only ever left of center for Americans. To many/most non Americans, America consists of a far right party and a center to center right party.

What you're seeing is the result of a platform that wasn't first created by and for American audiences, and whose initial takeup wasn't dominated by American perspectives.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 17 hours ago

Agreed. I got lost at 'Reddit is left...'
Huh?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago

Unless you’re willing to go with a very closed off instance you’re still going to be interacting with the broader fediverse which is very left.

I don’t think that’s really going to change unless there is another big migration and I don’t necessarily want it to. But I would like if Lemmings would be kinder to one another and realize that not having read 800 pages of leftist theory doesn’t mean you’re an evil imperialist. Everyone is on their own journey to understanding the world and I think a lot of people here are so judgmental that they would be fighting with their own past and future selves if they could meet them. It’s OK to disagree sometimes. Yes, even when people hold harmful views. We all do to some extent.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Please join a small instance. Lemmy doesn't work if people don't spread out. Just choose some small instance that seems chill. You can search and sub to any community. It really makes no difference.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Until the admin of a small instance decides to randomly leave the project one day and your account is gone forever. I've seen it happen multiple times and it's why I go for bigger or at the very least, long standing instances.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Well then idk what to say. Lemmy and the fediverse is a failed experiment. I mean what's the point if people just congregate into one huge instance? Kinda defeats the purpose, no?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I mean, there are still multiple large and/or long standing instances out there. It's not like there is only a single one of them. I would just generally encourage people to utilize those instead. And if they choose a smaller instance that they should be aware of the risks.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 17 hours ago (24 children)

You’re going to get yelled at by lefties on any instance. That’s how federation works.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago

The instance you're on only matters in so far as which other instances they've defederated.
You can probably find more centerist instances, but it doesn't really matter because your friend is probably just going to be in the same communities anyways.

I'm not really sure I'd call reddit left of center, though.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 18 hours ago (26 children)

I just got yelled at because I can’t be Left wing unless I want to destroy capitalism? Which feels weird.

That's a terminology issue that you're going to run into in any sufficiently political community. 'Left-wing' in casual use in the US refers to "everyone except the Republicans and some moderates", but "left-wing" in any serious political talk refers to anti-capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

I would say mixed-marked advokates fit into left wing as well, social democray and so forth.

You know left "lite"

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