It would really be nice to see [email protected] and [email protected] consolidate to offer an alternative, but the discussion never concluded: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/19642782

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Israel has a terrible PM right now but I don’t think the Israeli leaders would be stupid enough to have some secret goal of exterminating all Gazans.

It's not a secret, they are openly calling palestinians animals who should be eradicated.

You can say that, but no normal person thinks that and most are silently rolling their eyes.

First of all please don't call me "abnormal".

Maybe the average american is so brainwashed he doesn't see the problem in arming a genocidal regime but it's an american problem. I assure you we rest of the world sees the issues.

Can you prove the exact weapons used were provided by the US?

Yes.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/usa-israel-has-used-us-made-arms-gaza-violation-international-law-new-report

Israel would claim that hospitals were being used as Hamas command centers because that's the excuse they always use for their war crimes including the intentional killing of innocent people. The death toll in Gaza is about 50,000 and that's likely under-counting it. How many of those people do you think are combatants? If you want to be charitable, at best Israel are grossly negligent preventing civilian deaths, but the evidence shows they're intentionally targeting civilians and critical infrastructure that makes life possible in Gaza, hence the ruling by the ICC.

You call what the US sends to Israel "aid" and try to paint it as defensive, but there is nothing defensive about 2,000-pound bombs, especially when the targets are in such a densely-populated area like in Gaza. The goal to ethnically cleanse Gaza (and the rest of Palestine) is no secret. It's been the mission of Israel since their establishment and all you have to do is look at the map of Israel and Palestine to see one clearly eating up the other. Given the monstrous actions by Israel, it is an unconscionable act to provide support to such a regime. Supporting a regime carrying out genocide means support for genocide, especially when that support consists of such powerful weaponry with no defensive purpose.

That's perhaps understandable if it was an isolated comment, but my first comment was in direct response to someone else who said, which I quoted, "we were told it would stop [if] Harris lost!" to which I responded by asking who was saying that because I can't imagine anyone serious saying that. In fact, that user's claim could be considered misinformation because it was completely misrepresenting the protest against genocide (but their post remains unmodded because I guess the mod agrees with them). I then went on to point out that the genocide had been going on for over a year by that point and I used "full-throatedly" because although the biden administration were pretending to hold back israel with like one shipment of weapons paused, they were providing israel with everything they needed to completely destroy Gaza.

So: I actually do at this point have something pretty akin to “proof” that particular posters are doing misinformation on Lemmy in an organized fashion. If there are any admins that are interested to want to see it, message me privately and let’s talk.

You should probably message those people's admins.

1000% and it got me banned from world

I'm shocked I'm not banned from .world for giving citations of the horrid actions of the people they idolize.

"Reality has a liberal bias" is a funny joke from Colbert, and when you give them reality and facts with places they themselves agree are "neutral, unbiased, reputable", suddenly they never liked them. Reality has a bias of "Maybe doing horrible things is bad no matter who does them."

They will change their tune when Trump does murder in Gaza. Suddenly they always supported Palestine, they always donated to the cause, never once did they ever defend Israel.

I like using the word in this case because it accurately describes the level of support biden has for israel. Coincidentally, he tops the list of recipients of donations from aipac: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S

It's a tough line to follow through, sometimes actually good places have errors, sometimes the bad places are reporting correctly.

I don't know if I personally could 100% accurately tell when something is misinfo. Ideally, it's not up to one mod, or even a team or admin group.

Exactly, the whole point of public forums is to have these discussions. Instead some have decided to go on a crusade against "misinformation" but what counts as misinformation? According to that mod, sending billions to a country committing genocide is not support for genocide because they claim it's actually for "defense"??? It doesn't make sense but I can't expand on the discussion and gain understanding of their viewpoint because I was shut down immediately.

What if I consider that mod's opinion misinformation, where's my recourse? Will I need to enlist the help of a different mod who agrees with me? If the only criterion to be considered misinformation is whether a mod agrees or disagrees then they might as well shut down the comments section and simply tell us what we should be thinking since anything straying from that is going to be considered misinformation anyway.