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The thing that bothers me most about this argument is, if it WAS indeed an accident, any decent person would be horrified it was taken that way, and would immediately clarify what they meant, or apologize and reaffirm that they are not a nazi.
And yet, it's crickets from him. If he's not willing to do that extremely basic thing, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He's a nazi.
He did it twice for emphasis. Elon Musk is a Nazi. Elon Musk wants to burn Jews and gay people.
When we say Mangione the 1%, we mean all of them.
Hey there, everyone. I'm the center. Go check my history, you'll be disgusted if you're far left.
Yeah... this was not okay. We know what this is in the "center". Fuck Elon Musk.
Yeah, I see John Cleese's Advantages of Extremism skit is still as relevant as ever...
Center here, it was a full blown nazi salute and every other european centrist I know also know it was a full blown nazi salute. We dont want to assosciate with the people saying it wasn't a nazi salute, they are either insanely stupid or undercover nazis.
As a European center, does that put you between the radical far left (community based government, right to eat, right to housing, right to education, medical care for all, meeting and exceeding the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, etc.) and the radical far right (Monarchy, Totalitarian Oligarchy, the thing that Trump and Musk want, and will have to fight for)?
Or is it centrist as in between Neoliberal and MAGA?
The reason I ask is because here in the states Centrist means the latter, e.g. people who still hate the homeless and expect immigrants to go through (nonexistent for most) legal channels.
It puts us at free education including university, free healthcare, shorter work week and days, human rights, right to self govern, limits to make housing affordable, electricity affordable, not to pollute, you know all the shit that we have and want to keep. Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from and questions like how to deal with immigration. I personally believe the way to utopia is through making free specialized or higher education possible for even those who have nothing as educated population doesn't elect stupid ass parties, is wealthy and pays more taxes to support the society.
extreme left wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society extreme right wants to use violence in order to get rid of everyone they deem unfit for their ideal society
I know you are being downvoted but I feel similar for the most part, I do find that not all countries versions of the left-centre-right divide marry up to each other and even the terminologies can get confusing. e.g in UK we have Liberal Democrats who are the only Centre party but the word Liberal in there can cause confusion for others. In Scotland we have free education including all the way through to degrees at universities etc thought that was started by the left wing government, the centre party wants to keep it as does the right wing.
Leaning left or right mostly means how you want the money for all that to come from
You just have no study of history or politics, that's the difference. You believe that "high education" will magically solve wealth inequality, oligarchy/monopoly, and the drive for ever-increasing and maximized profit that is intrinsically opposed to a welfare state and to ecological conservation.
Restrictions implanted to not let companies exploit people do that. Takes not stupid people to make smart decisions. Works in my country. Works for welfare states. I'm fine in my country. We were part of the soviet union, we know exactly how oppression, totaliatarian control of the ruling class, genocide, mass murder, oligarchy run government, inequality and systematic ecological catastrophies look like. This is why we want to do better.
Restrictions implanted to not let companies exploit people do that
And how are you exactly going to do that as long as companies control the government, as they do in capitalism? How's regulation working so far, with every country violating the IPCC recommendations?
Works in my country. Works for welfare states
Bullshit. All "welfare states" rely on unequal exchange through the exploitation of the global south. Without poor people on the other side of the world extracting resources for misery wages and toiling their lives away at sweatshops, your country would have no welfare.
We were part of the soviet union, we know exactly how oppression, totaliatarian control of the ruling class, genocide, mass murder, oligarchy run government, inequality and systematic ecological catastrophies look like.
How old were you exactly in 1991?
It was definitely questionable. People saying it's 100% are being unreasonable. There's a large interpretation here.
And calling people names and trying to bully people into accepting your view is disturbing.
He threw his hand out from his heart and said my heart goes out to you. It's definitely questionable.
Your scale is way off, the whole scale should be between right of centre and far right
As a republican…yeaahhh
Yeah what?
Fucked up what Elon did. Can’t justify it or nothing
I know you people hate the centre, but thats a pretty far right Portrait of the centre
What would you call news outlets like the New York Times?
Idk, I'm not american
Edit: but if they defended the "he didn't mean to do that" stance, then they are far closer to the right than they think
American centrists are right wing by other countries standards. The anti defamation league, an American organization that supposedly fights antisemitism, is saying its not a nazi salute. Idk what they are smoking.